Twin Jet EL34/KT88 Bias Mod

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So I got my Twin Jet back from the local tech here in St. Louis after he put a toggle switch on the back of the chassis to switch between EL34's and KT88's. I can already tell the difference between the two. The Winged C EL34's sound a bit looser (a good thing for me, reminds me of my old Rev Blue) without any loss in clarity. The highs are less glassy and needle-like; they're smoother. There's a much fuller and richer midrange as well. All in all worth the money I spent on it, since I might end up going back to the KT88's again. It seems like a pretty easy mod, and one that a Twin Jet owner should consider (honestly I don't know why Bogner doesn't do these stock!).

EDIT: The only thing that went wrong is one of the retainers for the screws that holds the chassis to the shell popped out, so I can't screw in that corner. Any idea on how to pop it back in?



 
So now that I've had this mod done for some time, I think I can write more about it and really compare the Twin Jet with both types of tubes. Let me preface with saying that I am using Sovtek KT88's (stock tubes for this amp) biased at about 38ma, Winged C EL34's biased at 34ma, and all Chinese 9th B in the preamp section. Cabinet is a rear-loaded Bogner Uberkab with standard Celestion V30/75 mix, and guitars are Schecters loaded with Seymour Duncan JB's and Invaders. I will also be receiving a Schecter Hellraiser Avenger with EMG's, so that should be interesting in the future. Lastly, I'm boosting the amp with a Ibanez TS-9 Tubescreamer.

Anyway, on to the tubes. First I'll talk about the KT88's. These tubes are much more powerful and in your face than the EL34's. They have a scooped midrange and really punchy lows, but with somewhat brittle highs. Turning the depth control to about 3 o'clock really makes the low end massive, yet surprisingly focused. The amp sounds a bit more "buzzy" with the KT88's, especially for leads. I've noticed that the amp is much tighter with these tubes. It's really hard to get them to break up. This amp is LOUD with these tubes, and they stay really defined even at ridiculously high volume (as I was able to try at my parents' house before I moved). Nevertheless, with these Channel 1 can get some surprisingly decent if somewhat sterile cleans, all the way up to JCM 800 range that is surprisingly bright, if a bit fizzy and lacking in a rich midrange. Channel One also has very little headroom with them, and Channel Two gives some really, really BROOTAL tones, which are somewhat dry and less saturated in comparison to EL34's. All in all, these tubes are completely suited to what the Twin Jet was designed for: tight, scooped, brutal metal riffs at really high volumes.

The EL34's are a different story. Putting them in, I noticed immediately that the feel of the amp was really changed. It was a lot looser, but not flubby like my Rev Blue was (probably due to the higher plate voltage). The other major difference was the midrange, which immediately stood out to me. It was rich and swirling as opposed to the KT88's, which were somewhat flat in comparison. The highs were also a lot softer and not quite so jagged. The low end was not as focused or punchy as the KT88's, but boosting the amp made a big difference and brought it up to an acceptable level. The bass response was a lot lower with these tubes, and the amp overall was not as loud. Channel One had some really nice cleans, and on the opposite end the amp really began to come into its own. With these tubes, I'd put it up against a real JCM 800 easily. Really nice rock tones and articulate leads to be had on Channel One with EL34's. Channel Two reminded me of the Rev Blue immediately, but with more articulation and a somewhat darker tonality. I imagine it is pretty close to a Rev 2 in its overall sound and feel (having never played one). This channel also seems a lot more saturated and wet with the EL34's. In summation, the EL34's seem to be a bit more rock-oriented than the KT88's, with somewhat less power and volume, more saturation, a much fuller midrange, sweeter highs, and less massive low end.

So now the final question: which one do I prefer? It really depends on the mood I'm in and the music I'm looking to play (really glad that I got the switch!). :rock: Overall I'd say that the EL34's are probably more versatile, but if you bought the amp for metal, then the KT88's are the way to go. For recording, I'd say that the EL34's are probably also preferable. For live applications you might want to try the KT88's, except if the room makes them sound too brittle and glassy (a common complaint about KT88's).

So the next question is how KT77's and 6550's do in the amp. That will be answered at a later date! :D
 
I'm running 6550's in mine.

more scooped than the KT88's, more low end, more overall grind. much more. they sound meaner. less bright top end, not as glassy as the kt88's. At first I didn't like them, but after one show with the KT88's, and feeling the amp too bright, I switched to the 6550's, and it smoothed things out and made everything more punchy on the low end, and not so brittle.

worth a try!
 
cool review. That's basically what I found too.

I bought mine with EL34, and decided to try KT88 since I usually prefer the big bottles in my amps. Definitely not with this one however. If I had only tried KT88, I would have sold it pretty quick. The midrange is so much richer, and the bit of sag the EL34 introduce was welcomed in my case. Definitely gives it that "feel" I remember with an Uber, only a lot tighter and more focused with the TJ. I have 6CA7 in mine right now, and wouldn't even consider going back to KT88/6550 at this point. Ch1 boosted has become one of my favorite high gain sounds, big tight lowend, and a harmonically rich midrange without a ton of compression. Really diggin this amp.
 
Erock":gryrn0ce said:
cool review. That's basically what I found too.

I bought mine with EL34, and decided to try KT88 since I usually prefer the big bottles in my amps. Definitely not with this one however. If I had only tried KT88, I would have sold it pretty quick. The midrange is so much richer, and the bit of sag the EL34 introduce was welcomed in my case. Definitely gives it that "feel" I remember with an Uber, only a lot tighter and more focused with the TJ. I have 6CA7 in mine right now, and wouldn't even consider going back to KT88/6550 at this point. Ch1 boosted has become one of my favorite high gain sounds, big tight lowend, and a harmonically rich midrange without a ton of compression. Really diggin this amp.
You should try the Gold Lion KT77's in this amp. I have had no desire to switch back to EL34's or 88's. The 77's are fantastic in this amp.Great lows, highs are sweet, and the mids are complex and punchy. They stay together more than the 34's and still give some sag over the 88's. Allot of guys sold these amps without trying EL34's. They would have been shocked at the difference. The 77's do it for me. No glassiness either. I've been talking about these tubes for awhile. Some guys tried them in their amps and have kept them in. I know Mo has them in his Ecstacy 20th now and loves them.
 
I loved the Gold Lion KT77's in my Rev Blue. Super punchy lows, sweet highs, nice rich mids. I can't imagine how badass they are in the Twin Jet! They'll probably be the next tubes I try once I have the money.
 
glip22":2f84af1n said:
Erock":2f84af1n said:
cool review. That's basically what I found too.

I bought mine with EL34, and decided to try KT88 since I usually prefer the big bottles in my amps. Definitely not with this one however. If I had only tried KT88, I would have sold it pretty quick. The midrange is so much richer, and the bit of sag the EL34 introduce was welcomed in my case. Definitely gives it that "feel" I remember with an Uber, only a lot tighter and more focused with the TJ. I have 6CA7 in mine right now, and wouldn't even consider going back to KT88/6550 at this point. Ch1 boosted has become one of my favorite high gain sounds, big tight lowend, and a harmonically rich midrange without a ton of compression. Really diggin this amp.
You should try the Gold Lion KT77's in this amp. I have had no desire to switch back to EL34's or 88's. The 77's are fantastic in this amp.Great lows, highs are sweet, and the mids are complex and punchy. They stay together more than the 34's and still give some sag over the 88's. Allot of guys sold these amps without trying EL34's. They would have been shocked at the difference. The 77's do it for me. No glassiness either. I've been talking about these tubes for awhile. Some guys tried them in their amps and have kept them in. I know Mo has them in his Ecstacy 20th now and loves them.
I think they are going to be my next set of tubes in the TJ once the 6CA7 get used up. I usually get Winged =C= EL34 for my amps, but with the price increase, they are almost the same price as the Gold Lion KT77. Seems ridiculous to pay the asking price for winged =C= at this point, with so many other good tubes available.

I actually really like the sound of the JJ6CA7 in this amp, but I'm always a little uneasy when I fire it up. Even though they've been working great for about 5 months now, I haven't seen any official literature saying they were designed to handle high plate voltages.
 
Erock":7ocy8jel said:
glip22":7ocy8jel said:
Erock":7ocy8jel said:
cool review. That's basically what I found too.

I bought mine with EL34, and decided to try KT88 since I usually prefer the big bottles in my amps. Definitely not with this one however. If I had only tried KT88, I would have sold it pretty quick. The midrange is so much richer, and the bit of sag the EL34 introduce was welcomed in my case. Definitely gives it that "feel" I remember with an Uber, only a lot tighter and more focused with the TJ. I have 6CA7 in mine right now, and wouldn't even consider going back to KT88/6550 at this point. Ch1 boosted has become one of my favorite high gain sounds, big tight lowend, and a harmonically rich midrange without a ton of compression. Really diggin this amp.
You should try the Gold Lion KT77's in this amp. I have had no desire to switch back to EL34's or 88's. The 77's are fantastic in this amp.Great lows, highs are sweet, and the mids are complex and punchy. They stay together more than the 34's and still give some sag over the 88's. Allot of guys sold these amps without trying EL34's. They would have been shocked at the difference. The 77's do it for me. No glassiness either. I've been talking about these tubes for awhile. Some guys tried them in their amps and have kept them in. I know Mo has them in his Ecstacy 20th now and loves them.
I think they are going to be my next set of tubes in the TJ once the 6CA7 get used up. I usually get Winged =C= EL34 for my amps, but with the price increase, they are almost the same price as the Gold Lion KT77. Seems ridiculous to pay the asking price for winged =C= at this point, with so many other good tubes available.

I actually really like the sound of the JJ6CA7 in this amp, but I'm always a little uneasy when I fire it up. Even though they've been working great for about 5 months now, I haven't seen any official literature saying they were designed to handle high plate voltages.
You will love them in this amp Erock. They handle higher pv and screen volts than the EL34 also. They were made for this amp. Glorious tone :rock:
 
leib10":1mznom74 said:
Anybody got a quad they're willing to part with? :)
:lol: :LOL: Only quad I have is in the amp. They've been running strong.
 
Just wish they weren't so damn expensive. I wonder if that guy is still doing that deal where he ships a quad to you if you just pay shipping...
 
leib10":2q3legig said:
Just wish they weren't so damn expensive. I wonder if that guy is still doing that deal where he ships a quad to you if you just pay shipping...
Tyler stopped that after noone else was in line. They are expensive for sure.
 
One more thing I'm noticing. The Twin Jet with EL34's is a bit easier to play than when the KT88's are installed. Bogners are notorious for bringing out every mistake you make (hence making you a better player, but not always advantageous), but the EL34's seem to be a bit more forgiving. I think it's because they aren't as tight as the KT88's and the note separation isn't as apparent. Any thoughts?
 
leib10":gloxaae8 said:
One more thing I'm noticing. The Twin Jet with EL34's is a bit easier to play than when the KT88's are installed. Bogners are notorious for bringing out every mistake you make (hence making you a better player, but not always advantageous), but the EL34's seem to be a bit more forgiving. I think it's because they aren't as tight as the KT88's and the note separation isn't as apparent. Any thoughts?

Compression is the downside of 34's, but yeah, are more forgiving. The cleaner sound of bigger bottles and the way they hold together the low mids/bass is a thing of beauty. I find 88's a bit dry and don't dig the feel as much, but that's me. 6550's and KT77's are probably the way to go next tube change.
 
se7en":24dqt4dp said:
leib10":24dqt4dp said:
One more thing I'm noticing. The Twin Jet with EL34's is a bit easier to play than when the KT88's are installed. Bogners are notorious for bringing out every mistake you make (hence making you a better player, but not always advantageous), but the EL34's seem to be a bit more forgiving. I think it's because they aren't as tight as the KT88's and the note separation isn't as apparent. Any thoughts?

Compression is the downside of 34's, but yeah, are more forgiving. The cleaner sound of bigger bottles and the way they hold together the low mids/bass is a thing of beauty. I find 88's a bit dry and don't dig the feel as much, but that's me. 6550's and KT77's are probably the way to go next tube change.
You hit it right on the head. Forget the 6550's. Go with the GL 77's. Trust me. Mine are lasting very well. They do need some break in(more than 34's) and then they really open up. I just retested them and they are still strong. They have this presence to them where the notes pop out. Especially the mids. They hold together all the way up as Se7en posted. A little more compressed than the 88's but in a good way. Nowhere near as much as EL34's. They are still tight but not dry at all. Nice and wet. Some people mistake these for a similar tube to its 88 and 66 counterparts. Make no mistake they are completely different. They are all kinlesss tertodes but not in the same ballpark.
 
Nice posts guys. Once the paychecks start coming in in a few weeks, I think I'll try those KT77's again. :)
 
Another question. What kind of 6550 should I try next?
 
Just got the Tungsol 6550's in. Biased right up with the switch on for KT88's. Initial impressions: construction wise, it's almost impossible to tell the difference in construction between the Sovtek KT88's and the Tungsols. However, they definitely have a different sound. They seem bouncier and with a far less-extended low end, which translates into a bit more tightness. Overall a more ballsy sound, more emphasis on the mids and less glassy highs. Overall, so far I find it a really nice trade-off between the KT88's dryness and tightness while having the EL34's mids. It's a really great way to go if neither tube type is floating your boat.

I guess that leaves Gold Lion KT77's as the last one!
 
leib10":g8hfq8du said:
Just got the Tungsol 6550's in. Biased right up with the switch on for KT88's. Initial impressions: construction wise, it's almost impossible to tell the difference in construction between the Sovtek KT88's and the Tungsols. However, they definitely have a different sound. They seem bouncier and with a far less-extended low end, which translates into a bit more tightness. Overall a more ballsy sound, more emphasis on the mids and less glassy highs. Overall, so far I find it a really nice trade-off between the KT88's dryness and tightness while having the EL34's mids. It's a really great way to go if neither tube type is floating your boat.

I guess that leaves Gold Lion KT77's as the last one!
Would have saved yourself allot of cash if you did it first. You will never look back. Didn't need the switch. It will be taped on el34 with the 77's. Bias them to 30ma and :rock:
 
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