SgtThump":5f533 said:
Cookie Monster":4f088 said:Wow!
I take off for a few hours and somehow I become a JVM hating, Marshall Corp. bashing kill-joy, that doesn't know his head from his ass!
Let's get a few things strait. I love a well built Marshall, and I am a huge fan of what the Marshall company has produced up until the JCM2000 line for the most part. Also I have personal experience with the downside of some of the lowball components and manufacturing techniques they have used at times, which are directly related to this issue with the JVM; in this case, plastic load bearing mechanisms (pots and jacks) that are directly attached to the PCB via solder, and in this particular case they don't even appear to have nuts securing the plastic pots to the chassis. I have personally, and on more than one occasion, had to repair Marshall products that have had the plastic pots and jacks broken off of the PCB. These pots and jacks will often just break loose slightly at first, becoming loose, and causing strange intermittent noises and signal drops that can be a bit confusing until the cause of the problem is recognized. Not a fun situation.
So you guys that own JVMs, or who are Marshall Corp. nut huggers, please give it a rest. I have not made any personal attack on Marshall Corp., or anyone else, so please don’t be attacking me. I’ve just added my own opinions and experience to the discussion, if you don’t agree my opinions, so be it, but please don’t attack my personal integrity, that’s just flat out wrong.
To me, these issues with the JVM are worthy of a broader and deeper discussion, owners and potential owners have a right to know about them, and everyone has a right to participate and share there views and experience in this discussion.
SgtThump":7ae6e said::|::QBB:
At this point, I keep my guitars in gig bags for ease of carrying. That includes my nicer LPs. Some people would scoff at the idea of gigging with a guitar that's not in an ATA approved flight case. WTF? Like you, I carry it to my car, then into the club. What's the big deal?
Digital Jams":e3fa7 said:
SgtThump":64d43 said::|::QBB:
Just so you know, I don't take offense to anything you said. No biggy to me. But I'm telling you and everyone else, I removed a few knobs from my JVM last night and they are more secure than anyone is saying. They are not loose/wobbly and only supported by a few soldering joints on the PCB.
It's true that there are no nuts connecting the pot to the chassis, but there is a thicker gray plastic thing that's securing the pot. The wiggling people are talking about is the plastic shaft. Not saying that's a good thing either, but it's not nearly as bad as the PCB cracking in half, because the pots are all loose.
But anyway, I used to defend my purchases and all that stuff online years ago. I'm over that now. I better be, because I play those horrible Norlin-era Les Pauls, crappy new Marshalls that fall apart, etc...
Cookie Monster":1d617 said:Wow!
I take off for a few hours and somehow I become a JVM hating, Marshall Corp. bashing kill-joy, that doesn't know his head from his ass!
Let's get a few things strait. I love a well built Marshall, and I am a huge fan of what the Marshall company has produced up until the JCM2000 line for the most part. Also I have personal experience with the downside of some of the lowball components and manufacturing techniques they have used at times, which are directly related to this issue with the JVM; in this case, plastic load bearing mechanisms (pots and jacks) that are directly attached to the PCB via solder, and in this particular case they don't even appear to have nuts securing the plastic pots to the chassis. I have personally, and on more than one occasion, had to repair Marshall products that have had the plastic pots and jacks broken off of the PCB. These pots and jacks will often just break loose slightly at first, becoming loose, and causing strange intermittent noises and signal drops that can be a bit confusing until the cause of the problem is recognized. Not a fun situation.
So you guys that own JVMs, or who are Marshall Corp. nut huggers, please give it a rest. I have not made any personal attack on Marshall Corp., or anyone else, so please don’t be attacking me. I’ve just added my own opinions and experience to the discussion, if you don’t agree my opinions, so be it, but please don’t attack my personal integrity, that’s just flat out wrong.
To me, these issues with the JVM are worthy of a broader and deeper discussion, owners and potential owners have a right to know about them, and everyone has a right to participate and share there views and experience in this discussion.
strungup":708c3 said:
I think this is funny. It has made five pages and no one has even had a shaft break yet.
Oh I should say I have not even seen a JVM yet so I can't comment.
Gainfreak":6e65d said::|::QBB:
What you have experianced in the past is a far cry from what you posted about an amp that you don't own. You cant apply previous experiances that you might have had with another amp with entirely new product line. I would not have said anything if you said...jeez I hope the JVM doen't have problems like some other Marshall amps did. You post came off as if the JVM's are definitely going to have a problem with absolutely no FACTS. That's what we are talking about. If you are going to say what you said about the amp you should at least have some experiance with the said amp and the said problem before you shoot your mouth off. I think even Marshalls techs will tell you that they had problems in the past and although the JVM might use similar parts, It's done a bit differently.
And for the record, Im no Marshall amp nut hugger or any brand name nut hugger. I could care less about defending an amp.. but I will defend or challenge a remark when I find it questionable at best. I speak my mind and I think you lost site of the point with your thread on HC. Nothing personal, just my opinion.
Cookie Monster":fc2c4 said::|::QBB:
Actually the issue is not so much one amp versus another, as it is components and manufacturing techniques, and in this case, these amps have these things in common and are applicable to the discussion, that’s a FACT. If a said type of component and manufacturing technique has led to a certain malfunction before, than it is very likely to happen again if repeated. That's the point of what I said. This has nothing to do with weather or not any particular person owns the amp, it’s just a FACT of logic. Of course, "nothing personal", it should have never been. I sure didn't make it that way. It’s just that some people are taking this personally, and getting all hurt and offended over it, and here come the real personal attacks on me. Oh well, guess I should have known.
Gainfreak":519d9 said::|::QBB:
How do you know that these issues haven't been addressed? You don't.
Keep trying but no one is buying it. FWIW, Some Bogner amplifiers have the same Manufacturing/Build techniques with no problems.. so your FACT theory already is flawed. The bottom line is that until the JVM had been out for a while, only time will tell what is fact and what is opinion.
kannibul":bc97e said::|::QBB:
1) You should have a backup amp.
2) You should have a clause in your contract that specifies that anyone who damages your equipment other than yourself is fully liable.
3) A handwired amp would be just as unlikely to survive as anything else.