Peter, equalizer quetion.

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I'm about to buy a Diezel amp (Herbert or VH4, not sure yet), and i like to use graphic equalizers to fine adjust my tone. Right now a can make a good deal with a Crate cq131, it´s 31 band equalizer. Will it make a good job workin between guitar and amp or on the Diezel loop, or do hi need to buy a specific guitar equalizer(normaly pedals)?
 
Are you sure that you would need an EQ with either of them at all?

General answer is: if the EQ has line level you can use it in the loop.
 
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Dante":8de0d said:
I'm about to buy a Diezel amp (Herbert or VH4, not sure yet), and i like to use graphic equalizers to fine adjust my tone. Right now a can make a good deal with a Crate cq131, it´s 31 band equalizer. Will it make a good job workin between guitar and amp or on the Diezel loop, or do hi need to buy a specific guitar equalizer(normaly pedals)?

Having an EQ before the amp's input shapes the sound coming from guitar and then this thing is amplified. It was a practice used in order to boost some frequencies. It will alter the guitar's tone though (I don't know if this is the desired effect). FYI those Diezel amps that you're looking to buy, both have more than enough gain.
Now putting the EQ on the serial loop of a head alters the preamp signal and then it's fed to the power section.
Of course there's no rule and both heads give you great capabilities.
 
With a 31 band eq You will turn 31 knobs every day.
That´s what I did in the 80s. The impression of sound
is changing every minute, depending on Your ears, the
surrounding and Your mood.
That´s just my experience.
 
I was using a 7-band graphic EQ pedal in the serial loop, but I recently switched to a 4-band parametric EQ. I find that 3 or 4 bands of parametric EQ is plenty. I shaped the initial parametric EQ curve based on the peaks/valleys in my graphic EQ settings and then fine-tuned it from there. I had also considered a 31-band EQ, but I think I would find myself adjusting it very often as Peter said.
 
Hey Dante,

My suggestion would be to not use an EQ for a while.
Allow yourself time to get used to the organic sound of you amp..Which ever one you buy. Most of us do NOT use an EQ as it will color the sound of the amp. Good or not good. Its subjective. And it can change from day to day and room to room. Peters right, after awhile one is just pushing a bunch of knobs aroundThese amps that Peter and Co. have built are amazing and don't require to much out side of cool effects. good luck.
 
exactly, more knobs= more headache. use your hands for differents tones, also that guitar has a tone knob on it! guys like eric johnson and joe bonnammassa aren't known as tone monsters because they have all of these different eq's in their signal chain, they use what they have before the signal reaches the amp in a more minimal approach. really enjoy the tone a great amp gives, buy an amp that produces the frequencies that your ears enjoy rather than buying an amp and reshaping its natural sound.
just my 2 cents.
 
Nothing wrong with using an EQ to tweak the sound a little bit...if you love the tone and features but just want to twist it a bit to your own ear then why not? I use an EQ pedal out front to goose my herbert a bit sometimes and it's cool. Like others have said check out the tone without anything else in the path first. :thumbsup:
 
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Peter Diezel":69e56 said:
With a 31 band eq You will turn 31 knobs every day.
That´s what I did in the 80s. The impression of sound
is changing every minute, depending on Your ears, the
surrounding and Your mood.
That´s just my experience.

That´s not a problem.
But will it work? I will not have problems with signal strength, impendance... ? One other thing what the hell does balanced imput and output means?
 
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Dante":b6479 said:
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That´s not a problem.
But will it work? I will not have problems with signal strength, impendance... ? One other thing what the hell does balanced imput and output means?

With a balanced cable there are 3 transmission lines: Signal+, Signal-, and Ground. Signal- is the same as Signal+, but it is inverted (-1 * Signal+). The idea is that you can eliminate noise picked up by the cable by subtracting Signal- from Signal+ at the receive end. This is because noise would be picked up by both lines, so this subtraction would eliminate what is common to both lines. Because Signal- was inverted, the subtraction would add the desired signal it carries to Signal+ noise-free.

An unbalanced cable has 2 transmission lines: Signal and Ground. This is what guitars and guitar amps use. In theory, this is more at risk of picking up noise in the transmission line, which is why it is important to use well-shielded cables, especially between the guitar and amp.

The way to tell if a cable is balanced or unbalanced is to simply look at the connector. If the connector is a mono 1/4" TS type, then it is unbalanced (2 lines, signal and ground). If the connector is a stereo 1/4" TRS or XLR type (3 lines, signal+, signal-, and ground) then it is a balanced cable.

If your equipment requires a balanced input but you only have an unbalanced output (such as a guitar amp effects loop) you can use an isolation transformer to convert it. One example is the EBTech HumX, which will convert between balanced/unbalanced lines.

But most often effects units will support either balanced or unbalanced connections, so you should be able to just plug it in the effects loop without using your standard 1/4" mono cable.
 
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