VERY humbling lesson today...Legato content.

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MrDan666":0fa3e said:
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Iv always done it the Shawn Lane way, (index, middle, pinky) but recently i stumbled across licks that i couldnt do so easy via that method. So iv started working on index ring pinky just to strengthen up my technique on my ring and pinky together.

It was difficult at first and felt very uncomfortable and un-natural, but after a couple months i almost have it down now :) So i can comfortably do both methods!
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Why is every one so vague? :-)
Gimme a concrete example of a lick that is easier for you with a 1-3-4 fingering over a 1-2-4 is what I say.
The only times I would use the ring finger is for 4 notes per string.
Did 1-3-4 for years, good form etc...and one time when wondering about Shwan Lane's odd look approach I tried and figured why it made more sense to him. The hand strength between pinky middle and finger independance is so much bigger than ring and pinky.
 
Here's what I'm talking about, yeah it's easy enough with 1-3-4 but 1-2-4 sure as heck makes it easier...

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degenaro":c603c said:
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Why is every one so vague? :-)
Gimme a concrete example of a lick that is easier for you with a 1-3-4 fingering over a 1-2-4 is what I say.
The only times I would use the ring finger is for 4 notes per string.
Did 1-3-4 for years, good form etc...and one time when wondering about Shwan Lane's odd look approach I tried and figured why it made more sense to him. The hand strength between pinky middle and finger independance is so much bigger than ring and pinky.
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Well i still definitly find index middle pinky a LOT more natural, as its the way i have played legato for the past 8years or so. But i wanted to practice this way also so that i have the option of either method if i ever need or want to use it. Im just trying to strengthen up any weakness's i have in any areas of my technique basically!
 
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EightmanVT":cb075 said:
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I'm with you...I could really use a good instructor these days...Have some specific things I'd like to work on...but can't find one close to me...
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I heard and feel ya bro. I am in Roanoke, Va. So I understand your pain all too well.

Scott, I do 1 2 4 or 1 3 4 depending on just how wide a stretch I need for things. work on it both ways but 1 2 4 will almost ALWAYS work!
 
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carlygtr56":96606 said:
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Same here. lefty playing righty. Can't alternate pick for shit.
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And I'm a big strat/hendrix fan too... I'm gonna end up like Carl I guess :lol:

Though I wouldn't say my alt picking is complete shit either ;)
 
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degenaro":6305e said:
Here's what I'm talking about, yeah it's easy enough with 1-3-4 but 1-2-4 sure as heck makes it easier...

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Yep, 1-2-4 FTW :D
 
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riffy":f1f7f said:
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I heard and feel ya bro. I am in Roanoke, Va. So I understand your pain all too well.

Scott, I do 1 2 4 or 1 3 4 depending on just how wide a stretch I need for things. work on it both ways but 1 2 4 will almost ALWAYS work!
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For alt picking I switch past the 12th fret...Cue Ed flipping out at me.....as it just works better for me and done it long enough I do not even think about it.

My instructor laid some serious crap on me since he is heading out soon to the Nationaal Guitar Workshop.....my head hurts.
 
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Digital Jams":30171 said:
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For alt picking I switch past the 12th fret...Cue Ed flipping out at me.....as it just works better for me and done it long enough I do not even think about it.

My instructor laid some serious crap on me since he is heading out soon to the Nationaal Guitar Workshop.....my head hurts.
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Ouch!
You and I are backwards bro! High up, I ALWAYS go for 1 2 4 both for alternate picking and legato. Down lower, I let the stretch I have to do decide which fingering I will use... I do find I have better finger independence using 1 2 4 though.

I really would LOVE to find a good instructor here... I surely could use one.
 
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degenaro":2a379 said:
Here's what I'm talking about, yeah it's easy enough with 1-3-4 but 1-2-4 sure as heck makes it easier...

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i would tend to agree with this approach as well when fingering all major 3rds patterns 3-note per string...for tone and easier execution..however, I had a couple of opportunities to study with Greg Howe and he was showing me some melodic minor/lydian dominant/altered 5-string arpeggios in mostly legato/sweep form and uncovered different fingerings with using the 1,3,5 in a minor 3rd legato form that made it economical to have your fingers prepared for the next shaepes/notes...common sense really. here's and example, u will need to cut and paste into Wndows notepad to view correctly.


Gtr I (E A D G B E) - 'Untitled' Play over A7#5

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Gtr I
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S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S H
|-------------------5-8-/11p9p8------------------- --------|
|-----------------6-------------11p10p8----------- --------|
|-------5-----5-6-----------------------10p8------ --------|
|-----7---7h8--------------------------------11p10 p8p7----|
|-4h8--------------------------------------------- --------|
|------------------------------------------------- --------|
 
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70strathead":ce2a8 said:
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i would tend to agree with this approach as well when fingering all major 3rds patterns 3-note per string...for tone and easier execution..however, I had a couple of opportunities to study with Greg Howe and he was showing me some melodic minor/lydian dominant/altered 5-string arpeggios in mostly legato/sweep form and uncovered different fingerings with using the 1,3,5 in a minor 3rd legato form that made it economical to have your fingers prepared for the next shaepes/notes...common sense really. here's and example, u will need to cut and paste into Wndows notepad to view correctly.


Gtr I (E A D G B E) - 'Untitled' Play over A7#5

4/4
Gtr I
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S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S H
|-------------------5-8-/11p9p8------------------- --------|
|-----------------6-------------11p10p8----------- --------|
|-------5-----5-6-----------------------10p8------ --------|
|-----7---7h8--------------------------------11p10 p8p7----|
|-4h8--------------------------------------------- --------|
|------------------------------------------------- --------|
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Except the only place in that line the fingering in question happens is beat 6 and 9 and either fingering would be interchangeable.
Also, it's not lydian dominant but super locrian, Melodic minor a half step up from an alt 7.
And also here's your lick in easier on the eyes form...
 

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degenaro":74b1f said:
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Except the only place in that line the fingering in question happens is beat 6 and 9 and either fingering would be interchangeable.
Also, it's not lydian dominant but super locrian, Melodic minor a half step up from an alt 7.
And also here's your lick in easier on the eyes form...
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indeed you're correct Ed...within Melodic Minor family basically. ..which opened lots of doors for me musically, coloring and new approaches/patterns. just one example obviously, but yes u can interchange fingers that is most comfortable, as long as it's got the flow. thanks for making that veiwable too! :thumbsup:
 
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degenaro":5e4af said:
:|::QBB:Gimme a concrete example of a lick that is easier for you with a 1-3-4 fingering over a 1-2-4 is what I say.
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Any lick requiring 3 notes per string where there is at least one fret between each note I can do far better 1-3-4 than 1-2-4. Didn't used to be that way, but with the messed up way my hand works now, it is a fact...

Steve
 
Shouldn't there be a bar line after that A# ;)?

Much easier to read though, thx Ed :thumbsup:
 
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psychodave":54227 said:
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I am a lefty playing righty too. Years ago I got by doing a lot of legato stuff. It was then I realized I needed to get my right hand in shape. I am glad I did :thumbsup:
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:lol: lots of us traitorz on here I guess :D

[shakes fist at telephant] :gethim:
 
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'63-Strat":ff763 said:
Shouldn't there be a bar line after that A# ;)?

Much easier to read though, thx Ed :thumbsup:
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There should be but seeing that I just brought the ASCI in and exported a jpg and didn't fix any thing on the tab tell 70s Strathead. :)
 
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70strathead":8fe92 said:
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i would tend to agree with this approach as well when fingering all major 3rds patterns 3-note per string...for tone and easier execution..however, I had a couple of opportunities to study with Greg Howe and he was showing me some melodic minor/lydian dominant/altered 5-string arpeggios in mostly legato/sweep form and uncovered different fingerings with using the 1,3,5 in a minor 3rd legato form that made it economical to have your fingers prepared for the next shaepes/notes...common sense really. here's and example, u will need to cut and paste into Wndows notepad to view correctly.


Gtr I (E A D G B E) - 'Untitled' Play over A7#5

4/4
Gtr I
~
S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S H
|-------------------5-8-/11p9p8------------------- --------|
|-----------------6-------------11p10p8----------- --------|
|-------5-----5-6-----------------------10p8------ --------|
|-----7---7h8--------------------------------11p10 p8p7----|
|-4h8--------------------------------------------- --------|
|------------------------------------------------- --------|
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Very cool, thanks for the input!

I am a 1-2-4 player for the most part but in my mind I WANTED to use the ring finger for some reason. I do know that it is stronger so maybe that is the reason.
 
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degenaro":6e5a1 said:
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There should be but seeing that I just brought the ASCI in and exported a jpg and didn't fix any thing on the tab tell 70s Strathead. :)
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Sorry man, I was just kidding around. What program did you use to do that?
 
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degenaro":e9f22 said:
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Except the only place in that line the fingering in question happens is beat 6 and 9 and either fingering would be interchangeable.
Also, it's not lydian dominant but super locrian, Melodic minor a half step up from an alt 7.
And also here's your lick in easier on the eyes form...
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Super Locrian???

Thanks for all of the input guys, will be using this big time tomorrow when I start hitting the legato exercises.....too drunk right now :o
 
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psychodave":9ad12 said:
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I am a lefty playing righty too. Years ago I got by doing a lot of legato stuff. It was then I realized I needed to get my right hand in shape. I am glad I did :thumbsup:
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yep...I'm a lefty playing righthand too... :cool:
 
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degenaro":a5488 said:
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Polyrhythmically speaking 5 and 7 would meet every 5th of the 7, or 7th pass of the 5. :)
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Yeah!! That what we did polyrhythms...


So every 5th huh? Methinks I was one off... but I'm always one off!! Story of my life!! :hys:
 
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