Diezel MIDI - CC Commands Yet?

Are there any options out there for executing footswitch-style CC changes with MIDI controllers beyond those Diezel-made?

I have been taking too long to do this project with John at MIDI Solutions but I may finally finish what he and I set out to do. We're going to make a custom mapper that goes between any MIDI controller and the diezel amp (vh4 and herbert). You send a CC command to the box, it routes off the correct PC to the amp. This requires a little set up on the amp, easy stuff, but I'm off to solve this MIDI riddle that irks me still.

Just posting to see if an option exists beyond Diezel and Prostage controllers, as they are not for me.

Thanks guys,

- H

If You want to use the CC´s it needs an interaction
between amp and pedal. If it should work correctly
we need to send and to receive.
We decided to keep the electronic part simple,
because it´s not a big deal to work with program
changes.

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Peter Diezel":715dc said:

If You want to use the CC´s it needs an interaction
between amp and pedal. If it should work correctly
we need to send and to receive.
We decided to keep the electronic part simple,
because it´s not a big deal to work with program
changes.

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i agree, as this was an awesome method in the beginning since it was so simple. Now that I have a larger midi controller and want more control over my amps, it would be ideal to have full access to controlling the amps and all my effects with the same midi controller. Perhaps the diezel midi boards could understand PC and CC commands. this box i'm working on will take CC's and spit out the proper PC to the amp. all one has to do is program the various combinations, not that many and easy to do with you store function

Hi Peter,

I agree, if you want to use CC comands with Columbus or any other non-programmable Controller, you would need some kind of bi-directional communication to tell the controller the appropriate state of the amp's function.

But, for all programmable controllers (say All Access etc.), which can remember the state of each function per program, i think this would't be necessary!?

Example:

Say Mid Cut on Herbert would react to CC No. 10, Value 0 = off, Value 127 = on. Quite simple. The patch programming on the Herbert would have nothing to do with this.

You switch to Program 1 on the Foot Controller. The amp goes to, say Channel 3, Mid Cut on. Just like it was programmed to react by the user.

Now say the All Access has a CC button engaged to Controller no. 10, which is the Mid Cut in my example. So if you hit this button, the All Access knows that the Mid Cut ist on in Program 1 and sends Value 0 to turn it off. And so forth.

Of course you would have to tell the All Access, what state the MidCut has in Program 1. It would not know it from the Herbert, since we have uni-directional Midi Connection.

If you hit another program change, all things are set like they were programmed on the Herbert again.


This is not uncommon, is it? I believe this works that way in every cheap digital FX (Intellifex, G-Major) to turn individual FX on or off per Program.


It would be KILLER if this worked somehow with the Herb.
Since I am no technician, and in reality it is more complex than I think it is - teach me, Master

If nobody touches the amp and the controller remember the
settings You are right.

A few months ago, i ordered a new EPROM chip for my Behringer FCB1010 from Belgium. Now i can use the upper row as a stomp box. It´s really nice. Stompbox mode are cc values. And i thoght i could use some stompboxes like midcut, v2 or loop with Herby.

But i didnt konw that he cant do cc changes.

It would be a very nice feature...

Yeah, would be a perfect feature

As the amp setup gets more complex, and you switch a lot of gadgets and FX with one program change, I believe it becomes more and more important to have single functions at hand.

How often do you want to switch to the second master without changing the sound? I do it a hundred times during one gig. Right now, I have to "waste" a program change for this ;-)

Mr Ten's solution only shows that there are some people who would really make big effort to have the CC feature at hand.
Also, if you have a non-midi Amp, let's say a Mesa Roadster (which I would certainly never prefer over the Herbert) you can have it by using a simple looper / switcher. That's not possible here, so we are really dependent on the amp's features.

On the other hand, one guitar, one cable, and one of those new Schmidt combos could also make my day

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Peter Diezel":48957 said:

If nobody touches the amp and the controller remember the
settings You are right.

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just to be 100%, you have to make a chart of how all the amp combinations are stored on the MIDI box that midi solutions (or whoever) makes, then make sure that the PCs on the amp are stored the same... then, you can use your midi controller accordingly. even if you walk up and alter the amp setting (but do not store anything), hitting your midi controller will still override according to the last setting you chose.

i think it's time to start working on this, i would love to have this finally up and running...