New Amp for Marshall Enthusiast and Hard Rocker?

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Hey,

just came from Musik Schmidt in Frankfurt/Germany and played the Diezel VH4 and Herbert the first time. I was completely blown away and i'm still totally flashed!!! I never heard such a thing. These both are the best amps i've ever heard. I played a lot of Marshall, Peavey 5150, Mesa and so on. Now i own a '73 Marshall 50 Watt Big Box Head.
It's a pity i didn't try the Einstein because i listened to the soundclips and it also sounds great!

I played the Herbert through a 4x12 Diezel Box (i don't know if this was with V30 oder Diezel Custom) and the VH4 through a 2x12 Marshall with Vintage 30.

I found the VH4 a bit better for me.
I'm searching for a really classic Tone with more gain than a JCM 800 or something. But i also want a real fat sounding tone like the 5150 had. I think both Amps (Vh4&Herbert) could deliver this but what about the Einstein?
I mean, it's much cheaper and maybe this "small" amp is enough for me.

I dream of the SLASH-Sound! I know, he plays Marshall, but i friend of mine owns a JCM Slash and sound completely crappy.
So i want something in this way, Guns'n Roses, Metallica, The Cult, Billy Idol (live, oh my gosh, FAT!), Motley Crue...

What do you think is the best of these 3 amps to cover these sounds?

I loved the VH4 clarity but i hope it's not going to be anoying with the time because of its clear and accurate sound.

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Hi Dennis, my taste is pretty much like yours coming from Marshalls and Soldanos. I've played a VH4 for some years and then switched to a Herbert, sometimes an Einstein for smaller gigs.
Its really hard to tell - all of them are fantastic and their character is "typical Diezel". So I'm feeling home with all of them, although I do prefer the features of Herbert the most.
 
hey there ,
ive just done almost exactly the same as you - ive owned all the marshall valve models since 1982 , but never been totally happy with the tone ( in fact , progressively unhappy with each new model - they get worse !) .
extensively tried all the others too - mesa/krank/engl etc .
the einstein for me is what ive been searching for for the last 20 years - just incredible .
you really should try the rear loaded diezel 2x12 also - to my ears it sounded bigger and with more bass than the 4x12 . cool .
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I think that the einstein can do both. You ve got a slashy sound on the mode 2 (with a boost) or mode 3 (without boost).
And on the 2nd channel you will get a high gain rythm sound or lead sound.
 
Hey,

what do you mean with boost? An integrated boost from the amp or a pedal?
I don't want to use a pedal with a Diezel. I think all pedals sound like crap and nobody should need a stompbox when using an amp like this.

Because i can't afford a Diezel Cab right now i'll play through a Marshall 4x12 with 2 Greenbacks and 2 G12-T75 and later with 4 Vintage 30's.

So i really like the VH4 and the Herbert but i don't really need stuff like the FX Loop or Midi switching...And also i don't really need sounds like Korn have...these very highgain sounds...

Why is the Einstein that cheap compared to the other both amps.

It's sure that i have to test the Einstein before deciding, but i'm not sure if the Einstein can deliver gainy sounds. I'm apprehensive that the Einstein can only deliver crunchy sounds...hm

Bye
 
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Hey,

what do you mean with boost? An integrated boost from the amp or a pedal?
I don't want to use a pedal with a Diezel. I think all pedals sound like crap and nobody should need a stompbox when using an amp like this.

Because i can't afford a Diezel Cab right now i'll play through a Marshall 4x12 with 2 Greenbacks and 2 G12-T75 and later with 4 Vintage 30's.

So i really like the VH4 and the Herbert but i don't really need stuff like the FX Loop or Midi switching...And also i don't really need sounds like Korn have...these very highgain sounds...

Why is the Einstein that cheap compared to the other both amps.

It's sure that i have to test the Einstein before deciding, but i'm not sure if the Einstein can deliver gainy sounds. I'm apprehensive that the Einstein can only deliver crunchy sounds...hm

Bye,
Dennis
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I'm not a Diezel owner, but I've played both the Einstein and Herbert. the Einstein will have plenty of gain for what you want to do. I play a higher gain style than what you're shooting for and it has more than enough on the 2nd channel for me.

the Einstein is less expensive because it lacks the higher tech features of the other 2. the other 2 are both capable of being midi controlled and also have more channels than the Einstein. less complex circuitry I would imagine. I'm sure there might be other factors also, but I'm less Diezel knowledged than most here. I come in here cause I get Diezel GAS quite a bit.

EDIT: I'd bet an Einstein maybe with EL34 tubes would work great for you.
 
I m not agree with your statement with boosting an amp. Even einstein delivers plenty of gain (more that you will ever need) i sometime use a pedals for boosting it. It give me a different sound with more highs.
I like to have a little kick on the mode 2 because this ways it sound very marshally with more gain.
Dont be affraid, the einstein have tons of gains. I never pushed the gain all the way up.
 
Hey,

today i went again to the Musicstore and played the Einstein.
I'm very disappointed!!! I hoped it'll sound more old fashioned but it sounded muddy and had almost no kick and push!
I also think it sounden more modern than the VH4. The 1st Ch is okay, but the Texas Mode sounds crappy in my ears. Like any Amp trying to imitate an old Marshall Crisp Crunch, you know. The 2nd Ch is good, but as i already mentioned too muddy and nothing for me.
Then i played the VH4 again and that's it!!! It sounds great...this amp got balls! A lot of punch, vintage if you want, fat and modern too if you want. The Clean is clearer and you hear every note your playin'...not muddy at all! Best amp yet.
This is only my opinion.
So i'm very disappointed 'bout the Einstein b/c everybody says it's a fantastic amp with fat sound and everything but i can't share this opinion.
But i'll buy the VH4 for sure!

Btw, played the amps through a 2x12 Marshall 1936 Cab with V30's. Also tried a 4x12 Mesa Standard and found it terrible. To even and unruffled...Muddy too. Then i played the Marshall again and it's sounds dirty and real rock'n roll...

See ya,
Squealer
 
I think you might need a little help EQ'ing the amps. Trust me, the sounds are all in there, including the Mesa 4X12.
 
Hey,

i don't think that the sounds that i'm searching for are in the Einstein. It shouldn't be a problem the eq an amp with less knobs than the VH4, but it is. I don't like the character of the Einstein. It sounded muddy and unprecise with every setting...
The VH4 didn't. I know i would like to like the Einstein b/c he cheaper but every company has expensive and cheap amps and the cheap ones often lack in quality and sound.

See ya
 
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Squealer":f648a said:
Hey,

It sounded muddy and unprecise with every setting...
every company has expensive and cheap amps and the cheap ones always lack in quality and sound.

See ya
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thats a very bold statement...

i wonder if peter diezel would like to respond to that ?
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Gotta be careful with that Deep poti on the Einstein, actually mine is usually just above 0. I find it pretty defined and complex.
 
"It sounded muddy and unprecise with every setting"

This is a statement.


"every company has expensive and cheap amps and the cheap ones always lack in quality and sound"

This is an insult.


Why should I reply ?
 
I changed the statement in "often lack", not always. Thats my experience.
I would love to hear a reply from the builder. I love the 2 other amps...

Bye
 
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the Einstein is a lot less complex than either the VH4 or the Herbert. If you look carefully you'll find the same quality components used in all the Diezels. So if it uses less components and takes less time to build then it is going to cost less, duh!

As for sounding muddy and unprecise, well I'm going to have to disagree - based on real world experience A/Bing my Herbert and a friends 100w Einstein at gig volumes rather than a quick shop tryout

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Did you try the 50w or 100w version? I find it very easy to dial in the tones you quote with either the Einstein or the Herbert.
 
Hey,

I tried the 100w version.
Maybe i make high demands. And for me the VH4 sounded a lot more precise than the Einstein. The VH4 is more my sound and nobody have to love all amps from a company. Even if the company isn't that big and doesn't have that many amps.
Btw, what is the left cab? Seems a bit smaller but the used look is just fantastic...i love it!
 
just to say that i use a BBE sonic stomp and a comp CP9+ with my einstein and it's awesome!! :eek: I know that some hate the BBE stomp, but for me it's make my einstein very clear (not muddy at all) and "modernise" a bit the sound...
And take care about the cab you use too, cause Diezels amps seems to be made for V30.
 
I played it through a Marshall cab with v30's and i found the sound more modern than the VH4. I don't have ear like any other. I'm searching for something very special. And the Einstein isn't something special to me, but the Vh4.
 
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the Einstein isn't something special to me, but the Vh4.
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That's fair enough, the Herbert spoke to me more than the others, but to say the Einstein is muddy and unprecise I think is a little unfair - and inaccurate. I'm sure you'll be very happy with the VH4.
 
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