Any plans for 50 watt or 100 watt versions of Herbert and VH4?

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I tried an Einstein today and loved it, I will go back tomorrow with 2 different guitars to play again.

I'd like to get either a Herbert or VH4 if the feeling of the Einstein stays with me since I've been thinking about it so much but what's the deal with the power, the watts..160, 180watts. That's fucking insane ( I can't even imagine setting one to 5 ) and there's no way I could play that at home. I don't gig as much these days so the amp would have to be good for alot of home playing. Are there any plans for 50 or 100 watts of those amps?

I'd jump on the Einstein but there's alot of features I want from the other two.
 
I have a Herbert and I just play it at home - mostly at night when everyone else is asleep. I'd say it sounds damn good at low volumes - if that is what you are worried about.
 
+ 1 they sound awesome at all volume levels, one of the best features!
 
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mhenson42":5f739 said:
I have a Herbert and I just play it at home - mostly at night when everyone else is asleep. I'd say it sounds damn good at low volumes - if that is what you are worried about.
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Come on man.."when everyone else is asleep"? How could that be, they're 180 freaking watts. And YES that's what I'm worried about.

There's only one brand tube amp that I know sounds just as good at low volumes and those are the Mesa Roadsters/Road Kings and they're not 160-180 watts either. :D

The Einstein I played I had to crank a little and that was too loud so how could the VH4s and Herberts sound good at low volumes?

I like the tone out of these amps and the ONLY thing keeping me away is the power..maybe the price too but I can deal with the price.
 
Well just about any tube amp is going to sound much better loud. I can definitely say the Herbert sounds good at low bedroom volume, hard keeping it that low as you just want to crank the thing though. :lol: I think there was a recording on here that someone did of a VH4 at bedroom volume that had a good sound going, can't remember the thread though, sorry.


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Hey_bert_whtcha_doin_bert":b2f53 said:
Well just about any tube amp is going to sound much better loud. I can definitely say the Herbert sounds good at low bedroom volume, hard keeping it that low as you just want to crank the thing though. :lol: I think there was a recording on here that someone did of a VH4 at bedroom volume that had a good sound going, can't remember the thread though, sorry.


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No problem. I know how that is you always want to crank a great tube amp.

Thanks for the info.

I'll see if my Guitar Center could get a VH4 or Herbert in since I already tried the Einstein.
 
The VH4 also is great at low volume. In fact there's a sort of gap between the 'wife & children agreement level' and the 'family war level' ;) Turn the master a few degrees and the volume suddenly increase as you really attack the power amp tubes. Anyway, it's like killing a fly with a nuclear weapon : if you want to play only in your bedroom, buy a modeling amp.
I suppose the Einstein uses less its preamp section than power amp to produce its distortion, so it may be less user-friendly at low levels.
It's quite easy to obtain good high gain sounds, but I never ever managed to get a good 'crunch' at low volume : you got to crank it up if you want to be Keith Richard !
 
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Come on man.."when everyone else is asleep"? How could that be, they're 180 freaking watts. And YES that's what I'm worried about.

There's only one brand tube amp that I know sounds just as good at low volumes and those are the Mesa Roadsters/Road Kings and they're not 160-180 watts either. :D

The Einstein I played I had to crank a little and that was too loud so how could the VH4s and Herberts sound good at low volumes?

I like the tone out of these amps and the ONLY thing keeping me away is the power..maybe the price too but I can deal with the price.
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I have a big house and my guitar room is on the opposite side of the sleeping rooms. ;)

BTW - I own a Roadster (at least until I ship it out tomorrow) and I think the Herbert sounds better at low volumes than the Roadster. :P

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The VH4 also is great at low volume. In fact there's a sort of gap between the 'wife & children agreement level' and the 'family war level' ;) Turn the master a few degrees and the volume suddenly increase as you really attack the power amp tubes. Anyway, it's like killing a fly with a nuclear weapon : if you want to play only in your bedroom, buy a modeling amp.
I suppose the Einstein uses less its preamp section than power amp to produce its distortion, so it may be less user-friendly at low levels.
It's quite easy to obtain good high gain sounds, but I never ever managed to get a good 'crunch' at low volume : you got to crank it up if you want to be Keith Richard !
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Christ NO I don't want to be Keith Richards..or play like him! :doh:

So that's one person that says you have to crank it to get what you want out of it. I'm with you, I just can't fathom an amp with that much power sounding good at low volumes. In fact, I believe that's the reason they're that good because of the extra power that you're cranking. I wonder how a 180 watt modded Marshall or Roadster would sound?

I just can't see this as being an amp to play at home and what some might describe as "good" might not be my idea of it. I don't want teeny bopper, nu metal or death metal gain but I want enough to sound good and get exellent sustain at lower volumes.
 
Hi,

i played the Herbert and the VH4 2 weeks ago at a music store in Frankfurt called Musik Schmidt. And i think they both sound great at low volumes! Very good. I have never heard an amp that sounded so good at low volumes! And you'll have enough gain even at a volumes like a mobile phone with its integrated speaker. haha

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Hi,

i played the Herbert and the VH4 2 weeks ago at a music store in Frankfurt called Musik Schmidt. And i think they both sound great at low volumes! Very good. I have never heard an amp that sounded so good at low volumes! And you'll have enough gain even at a volumes like a mobile phone with its integrated speaker. haha

See ya
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I'm going to see if Guitar Center gets one in, meanwhile I'll try the Einstein again and again. Might just end up with that.
 
I found several ways to lower the wattage to a VH4 and Herbert, although it does take away the true nature of what each amp was designed to do.
First, just pull power tubes.
Second, try lower wattage power tubes such as THD Yellow Jackets. They retro fit without biasing but you will lose the original vibe of the amp.
Lastly, if you can find them...try Smicz TADs. Each tube is only one watt each. You will definitely need four of them at least, but you will be surprised just how loud four watts can be in a VH4, or 6 watts in a Herbert.
But, as I said, don't expect the amp to perform as it was designed. By doing one of the things listed, you are basically removing all the teeth from the beast!
A word to the wise!
 
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