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Grow up.

Yes, that's right. I said it. Grow up.

You may know me as that freak who posts nonsensical things over at the Off-Topic forum, but I actually do have at least a tiny sense of cognital thought.

This message is not to the overall majority of Rig-Talk who come here to post about most everything related to guitars, or like to hang out (which is what I find myself doing, unironically). This message is not to those who are sick and tired of all the drama and just want a forum to hang out on where we can just shoot the breeze. This message is to those invidivuals--which number only a handful or so--who decide to use this forum as a way of lashing out.

Since when did you all become pre-pubescent girls?

We're supposed to be fully grown men (or women, if that single lone female still posts here) who are mature and insightful; not children who go behind one anothers back and create a clustermuck of drama that should stay in shows like The O.C. Why on earth are you creating drama publicly? Do you not understand what this does? Not only does it NOT help things, but it also helps drag in more problems than you probably predicted.

Most of the current "drama"--and I use that word lightly--could've been solved in a matter of minutes with calm and clear understanding from both (I'm assuming there's only two) parties.

SgtThump (I don't know your real name; my apologies): What. The. Heck. It's YOUR forum--and I'm glad you created it, and I'm going out on a limb to say that roughly 2500+ people are too. You should call the shots with a neutral mindset. You SHOULDN'T bring in drama publicly as you of all people should know what happens when you do. It's still not too late to make things right, and for the love of all that is good--and for the future of this board--please try to.

Bob: You've always come across as being an intelligent and thoughtful guy. Why the change of pace all of a sudden? Usually you're a neutral party in matters like these and I'm still of the opinion that you should be. You shouldn't be sticking yourself in these kinds of manners, and you of all people should be the one to help stop this drama--not add onto it.

Mitch: You're honestly one of my favourite posters on this board. You have a good sense of humour, and you've always seemed to have a fair sense of moderation when it comes to issues on this board. You've also done a good job with the upkeeping of this board, so I congradulate you on those placements. I normally would pass up these accusations against you as false, but if two people who normally don't cause drama are making the accusations then possibly there is some truth into these statements. I really hope these accusations are false--not only for your sake, but for the sake of this forum (this is about the third or fourth time I've used that statement. Brownie points to those who can back up this claim!) If they are false, then please use your normal powers of adminy-like-wisdom to clear up all of these issues (and assuming you're still following under your 'normal self', I have no question of a doubt that you won't get this drama solved.

If these accusations are true, all I can really say is why? What happened, and what the crap is wrong with you?

To those of you who have read all this, give yourself a cookie, get off the computer and go play guitar. You'll thank yourself later.

(My name is FL00, not F100)
 
I agree with pretty much everything you said man. Great post.
 
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SgtThump":90d32 said:
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You have no idea how involved Bob has been in this site. He chose to remain in the background, which isn't a bad thing. But he's been involved in more than anyone on this board can imagine.

So really "Fl00", you're kinda sticking your nose into things you don't know anything about. I honestly don't mean that mean, but it's true.

If this was handled in private there wouldn't have been much for him to stick his nose into. Just a thought...
 
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SgtThump":b0e4b said:
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I've been trying to handle it in private for a year. I know you're buddies with Mitch, but when are you going to face the facts?

Why do you assume that everyone is buddy-buddy with Mitch? You assumed I was, yet were wrong. Is it everyone that posts in the Off-Topic forum?
 
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SgtThump":3d088 said:
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I know you're buddies with Mitch, but when are you going to face the facts?

I am buddies with Mitch. I'm just not to sure what my buddy is trying to accomplish right now.
 
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Fl00":d05d3 said:
Bob: You've always come across as being an intelligent and thoughtful guy. Why the change of pace all of a sudden? Usually you're a neutral party in matters like these and I'm still of the opinion that you should be. You shouldn't be sticking yourself in these kinds of manners, and you of all people should be the one to help stop this drama--not add onto it.

There's no sudden change. What you have neglected to consider is that Mitch has been difficult to deal with from the start. The reason you're not aware of it and you perceive a sudden change is because it's all been kept private. With the recent events, Mitch's immaturity and shortcomings as a moderator have brought it to a head and neither Chris or I can tolerate it any longer.
 
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SgtThump":407a2 said:
How could you not think the "accusations" are true? They've been proven without a doubt now and Mitch even admitted that he was tricked in another post.

Dude, you don't realize that Mitch has been acting like this since this place has been going. I've tried and tried to get him to listen to the "shots" that I should be calling, but he doesn't.

It goes back to me asking him to stop installing all of these little mods that broke the forum every day for a while there. He kept it up even to this day.

I've asked him to stop screwing with people's profiles and he still does it.

I've asked him to not ban anyone without other mods agreeing to it, because he has a trigger finger, yet he still does it.

The list goes on and on and I'm done dealing with him. He's an immature kid that thinks he knows more than me or anyone else about running a forum. He won't take direction.

And I can't get the forum back unless he gives it to me. I put waaaaaaaaaaay too much trust into someone I didn't know and now I'm screwed.

Right now, I don't know what to believe--hence the reason for this topic. I'm trying to keep a neutral mind about things, hence me stating the following:

Right now, it's essentially a battle of words: neither side has any definitive proof other than your word against his. I'm just trying to make sense of everything, given the total amount of crap I've had to wade through just to even get a slight hint of what's going on.
 
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SgtThump":7f7cb said:
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When people have evidence right in front of them that Mitch is abusing power (God complex), impossible to work with, doing sneaky things, stabbing me in the back, etc... yet still choose to defend him, you're either on his side or a complete nutcase.

Chris

Or they don't like drama and don't want to see this forum get ruined.
 
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SgtThump":a2175 said:
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You have no idea how involved Bob has been in this site. He chose to remain in the background, which isn't a bad thing. But he's been involved in more than anyone on this board can imagine.

So really "Fl00", you're kinda sticking your nose into things you don't know anything about. I honestly don't mean that mean, but it's true.

You're right, I don't know Bob. I'm only going by on what I've seen based on posts on a public (as in free to all forum). I'd honestly like to give him the benefit of the doubt--same with Mitch, but right now I'm not going to take sides until either party can give definite proof.

I also will stick my nose in this thing, even if I don't know much about it--and I'm willing to bet I know as much as most posters on this forum. It's a public forum that I like, and I'm willing to keep it that way--doing as much as I can, which this thread is also about.
 
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Bob Savage":c8300 said:
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There's no sudden change. What you have neglected to consider is that Mitch has been difficult to deal with from the start. The reason you're not aware of it and you perceive a sudden change is because it's all been kept private. With the recent events, Mitch's immaturity and shortcomings as a moderator have brought it to a head and neither Chris or I can tolerate it any longer.

I wouldn't doubt this at all--in fact, this is what I'm confused about. I want to believe both you and Mitch, but you both have conflicting stories. I've never seen any real shortcomings from Mitch or from you (you especially have always been private about that, and I congratulate you on that motion), so this is why I--and probably most other posters--are confused about.

You and Mitch give equally believable stories which is why either of you are going to have to bring definitive proof to make either of you believable.
 
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Fl00":ec569 said:
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You're right, I don't know Bob. I'm only going by on what I've seen based on posts on a public (as in free to all forum). I'd honestly like to give him the benefit of the doubt--same with Mitch, but right now I'm not going to take sides until either party can give definite proof.

I also will stick my nose in this thing, even if I don't know much about it--and I'm willing to bet I know as much as most posters on this forum. It's a public forum that I like, and I'm willing to keep it that way--doing as much as I can, which this thread is also about.

It's possible you will never be satisfied with the proof that's been posted.

By the way, did you see the thread I posted a link to in the OT forum? Mitch openly admitted to looking at Chris and my PM's. That doesn't just happen by accident, it's a mod that needs to be installed on the board.
 
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SgtThump":8bf52 said:
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Huh? He posted that we tricked him and he was caught viewing PMs. How is that not proof? lol... Plus, Bob and I are both known for being honest.

Ahhhhh, I don't know what else to tell ya.

I'm not trying to claim either one of you are right. I trust all of you guys, which is only making all of this harder. :/
 
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SgtThump":ec43c said:
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Hmm... Proof... How about an admission from Mitch? LOL... That's pretty good proof, I'd think.

http://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17967

I'll give you guys the benefit of the doubt for that topic--that doesn't exactly seem like something you guys would do (in concordance to the assumption that RT is going to be sold out). What I'm still iffy on is the issues of the PM. It doesn't seem like something Mitch would do (from my point of view at least--which may or may not be credible from a public standpoint), but he has the abilities to do it, hence more confusion. :/
 
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Fl00":16663 said:
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I'll give you guys the benefit of the doubt for that topic--that doesn't exactly seem like something you guys would do (in concordance to the assumption that RT is going to be sold out). What I'm still iffy on is the issues of the PM. It doesn't seem like something Mitch would do (from my point of view at least--which may or may not be credible from a public standpoint), but he has the abilities to do it, hence more confusion. :/

I'm trying to understand what you're confused about. Are you not believing that Mitch was reading PRIVATE messages that weren't directed to him?
 
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Bob Savage":a73c8 said:
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I'm trying to understand what you're confused about. Are you not believing that Mitch was reading PRIVATE messages that weren't directed to him?

Maybe that is what I'm confused about. I'd truly like to believe that Mitch didn't, but if he has done it in the past, then it all seems too likely that he did.
 
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