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My 2 favorite guitarists in terms of tones and overall music.
Whose rig would you pick and why? You can play your own guitars if you like, or theirs.


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What era? I like Jerry’s tone a lot more overall but I’d have a tough time deciding between the Diezel/Marshall combo and the various amp combinations Jerry has used. .Saw him live in ‘09 with a Marsha and Shiva and it was some of the best live guitar tone I’ve ever heard.

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What era? like Jerry’s tone a lot more overall but I’d have a tough time deciding between the Diezel/Marshall combo and the various amp combinations Jerry has used. .Saw him live in ‘09 with a Marshal and Shiva and it was some of the best live guitar tone I’ve ever heard.

I was initially thinking their current rigs. I'm afraid if I say any era, the snorkeler will just run away with it.


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I'll post a pic but I literally have both rigs, I am just waiting on my all original 84 white maple bodied Rampage to come back from Richard Beck (Cantrell's tech who recessed his Kahler and put a Floyd nut on it) for the exact same work. Should be back next week.

I mean I have it down to a T, an original Snorkler mod by Reinhold on a JCM800 but unlike Mr. C's original Snorkler mine is loaded with all the options from boost to effects loop. I also have an original Fish with the Cantrell mod, probably the cleanest example in existence today. Intelliverb which is the delay and chorus you hear on Jar of Flies. I also have the MosValve500 and the rare 4x12 greenbacks and 4x12 vintage from the early 90's in stereo like Cantrell used in the 90's. Honestly I don't consider his Friedman stuff when it comes to his "tone" so I don't have any of that. No offense to Friedman it's just not my thing. He's a cool dude with a great amp business.

Jones Tonez? :lol: :LOL:

I got that as well an original 95 blueface VH4 and a Marshall Superbass but mine has been hot rodded by Reinhold and Mark C. to have every gain option available so I don't have to crank it to get that mid gain that Adam gets but he really has to crank it. I do have to say my VH4 by itself just sounds 90's, it's awesome to me but Mark C doesn't really like it, he's just not that into 90's music like me. :lol: :LOL:

I also have an original 81 Silverburst that I Adam Jonez modded, JB in the bridge, Allesandro pots, etc... This was the lightest example I found after going through about 10 different 78-82 silverbursts, also in amazing condition but try finding one under 10 pounds, mine barely weighs 9.

It's what I call my tone library and I love it. I will post some pics for you guys tomorrow or this weekend when I have a chance. :rock:

When it comes down to what I would choose one over the other is it depends on what I am in the mood for. Some days the Adam rig is where it's at sometimes it's the Cantrell rig.

I'm actually making a Deftones White Pony rig right now, last thing I need is a Marshall 9200 which I am in the process of getting now...


Edited to add if you are asking current rigs its Adam Jones all the way, no brainer.

Here is an old pic you can see some key components of both rigs minus Rampage of course:

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I'll post a pic but I literally have both rigs, I am just waiting on my all original 84 white maple bodied Rampage to come back from Richard Beck (Cantrell's tech who recessed his Kahler and put a Floyd nut on it) for the exact same work. Should be back next week.

I mean I have it down to a T, an original Snorkler mod by Reinhold on a JCM800 but unlike Mr. C's original Snorkler mine is loaded with all the options from boost to effects loop. I also have an original Fish with the Cantrell mod, probably the cleanest example in existence today. Intelliverb which is the delay and chorus you hear on Jar of Flies. I also have the MosValve500 and the rare 4x12 greenbacks and 4x12 vintage from the early 90's in stereo like Cantrell used in the 90's. Honestly I don't consider his Friedman stuff when it comes to his "tone" so I don't have any of that. No offense to Friedman it's just not my thing. He's a cool dude with a great amp business.

Jones Tonez? :lol: :LOL:

I got that as well an original 95 blueface VH4 and a Marshall Superbass but mine has been hot rodded by Reinhold and Mark C. to have every gain option available so I don't have to crank it to get that mid gain that Adam gets but he really has to crank it. I do have to say my VH4 by itself just sounds 90's, it's awesome to me but Mark C doesn't really like it, he's just not that into 90's music like me. :lol: :LOL:

I also have an original 81 Silverburst that I Adam Jonez modded, JB in the bridge, Allesandro pots, etc... This was the lightest example I found after going through about 10 different 78-82 silverbursts, also in amazing condition but try finding one under 10 pounds, mine barely weighs 9.

It's what I call my tone library and I love it. I will post some pics for you guys tomorrow or this weekend when I have a chance. :rock:

When it comes down to what I would choose one over the other is it depends on what I am in the mood for. Some days the Adam rig is where it's at sometimes it's the Cantrell rig.

I'm actually making a Deftones White Pony rig right now, last thing I need is a Marshall 9200 which I am in the process of getting now...


Edited to add if you are asking current rigs its Adam Jones all the way, no brainer.

Here is an old pic you can see some key components of both rigs minus Rampage of course:

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Holy sh*t, that's quite the collection :shocked: :worship:

As for which I'd pick, Jones for me, as Lateralus is still one of my top tone bibles...although Jerry's rig is right up there too!

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Holy shit Jason, that’s incredible.


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Adam easy. I've seen both play countless times.
I also strongly believe tone is in the hands. I've played on a few of Jerry's rigs and I don't sound anything like him.

I rather use Jason's rigs than Adam or Jerry. For the obvious reasons.

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I prefer Cantrell as a guitarist, though Adam Jones also is great.

But Jones’s rig is nuts. That Superbass sounds awesome by itself. Love the early Recto tones as well. And of course the VH4. That’d be what I’d want for sure.


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I'll post a pic but I literally have both rigs, I am just waiting on my all original 84 white maple bodied Rampage to come back from Richard Beck (Cantrell's tech who recessed his Kahler and put a Floyd nut on it) for the exact same work. Should be back next week.

I mean I have it down to a T, an original Snorkler mod by Reinhold on a JCM800 but unlike Mr. C's original Snorkler mine is loaded with all the options from boost to effects loop. I also have an original Fish with the Cantrell mod, probably the cleanest example in existence today. Intelliverb which is the delay and chorus you hear on Jar of Flies. I also have the MosValve500 and the rare 4x12 greenbacks and 4x12 vintage from the early 90's in stereo like Cantrell used in the 90's. Honestly I don't consider his Friedman stuff when it comes to his "tone" so I don't have any of that. No offense to Friedman it's just not my thing. He's a cool dude with a great amp business.

Jones Tonez? :lol: :LOL:

I got that as well an original 95 blueface VH4 and a Marshall Superbass but mine has been hot rodded by Reinhold and Mark C. to have every gain option available so I don't have to crank it to get that mid gain that Adam gets but he really has to crank it. I do have to say my VH4 by itself just sounds 90's, it's awesome to me but Mark C doesn't really like it, he's just not that into 90's music like me. :lol: :LOL:

I also have an original 81 Silverburst that I Adam Jonez modded, JB in the bridge, Allesandro pots, etc... This was the lightest example I found after going through about 10 different 78-82 silverbursts, also in amazing condition but try finding one under 10 pounds, mine barely weighs 9.

It's what I call my tone library and I love it. I will post some pics for you guys tomorrow or this weekend when I have a chance. :rock:

When it comes down to what I would choose one over the other is it depends on what I am in the mood for. Some days the Adam rig is where it's at sometimes it's the Cantrell rig.

I'm actually making a Deftones White Pony rig right now, last thing I need is a Marshall 9200 which I am in the process of getting now...


Edited to add if you are asking current rigs its Adam Jones all the way, no brainer.

Here is an old pic you can see some key components of both rigs minus Rampage of course:

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I love pretty much all Jerry’s tones. His newer Friedman tones are probably more my style but they’re all great.


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I just went to one of the Tool music clinics. Sat about 8 feet from Jones. Slightly to the left of his rig. His Marshall was not on because it’s too loud for the small venues they’re playing. Both VH4’s were running at a slightly lower volume according to his tech, Tim. He played the non mirror silver burst the whole time. Tim passed it thru our row and I got to play it unplugged for a few seconds. It was pretty cool. Adam was unfortunately sick so I didn’t get to talk with him.


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Holy shit Jason, that’s incredible.

Wow, indeed it is.
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I've basically had Adam's rig as well, + two or three Silverbursts. Between the two guitarists, I'd choose his. My favorite Tool tone is from the Undertow album when Jones was using just the Marshall. And I do prefer the Marshall/Rectifier combo from Aenima more than the Diezel pairing from the later albums.

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Don't actively listen to Cantrell, but overall I like Jones tone the best.

Lateralus and Aenima were my favorite albums, because of complexity, but now, looking at just the tone,
I prefer the Undertow album, and just his Marshall, JC Dobbs video made me believe that slightly modified Marshall JMP is all you need.
Like the midrange, aggressiveness, raw, and growly sound of his Marshall the most. :)

Also noticed that he is using slanted 4x12 with his Marshall which brings even more midrange.


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Don't actively listen to Cantrell, but overall I like Jones tone the best.

Lateralus and Aenima were my favorite albums, because of complexity, but now, looking at just the tone,
I prefer the Undertow album, and just his Marshall, JC Dobbs video made me believe that slightly modified Marshall JMP is all you need.
Like the midrange, aggressiveness, raw, and growly sound of his Marshall the most. :)

Also noticed that he is using slanted 4x12 with his Marshall which brings even more midrange.


Yep, and his Marshall isn't really "modified." Well it is, but it's not hot-rodded. Just a bass head converted to lead spec, if you believe what Friedman said since he's worked on it.

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yes, I also read what Friedman said:
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i would choose the hanneman rig exp has.

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I've basically had Adam's rig as well, + two or three Silverbursts. Between the two guitarists, I'd choose his. My favorite Tool tone is from the Undertow album when Jones was using just the Marshall. And I do prefer the Marshall/Rectifier combo from Aenima more than the Diezel pairing from the later albums.



I saw them sometime in the 90’s when he had just the Marshall and Rectifier. It sounded ridiculous good. I’m not knocking the Diezel, but there was nothing to improve on that Mesa/Marshall combo. It was perfect.


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No enough selections... haha


Oh right, this is Rig-Talk. We should add someone who wore skintight neon lycra and stuffed their pants with a rolled up tube sock. :lol: :LOL:

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Adam Jones rig from the Opiate / undertow era,
Dunno if he was using Diezel amps back then.


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^ the thought, I believe, is that those two were just the Marshall. The Recto seems to have been around for Aenima, and I remember thinking there’s debate over whether the VH4 was around for Aenima or showed up only after it was recorded.


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^ the thought, I believe, is that those two were just the Marshall. The Recto seems to have been around for Aenima, and I remember thinking there’s debate over whether the VH4 was around for Aenima or showed up only after it was recorded.


There's no debate. Opiate/Undertow = Marshall. Aenima (album) = Marshall/Rectifier. But then during one of the live tours for Aenima, he brought in the Diezel at some point and phased out the Rectifier. He said his bandmates preferred the Diezel in the mix. Everything after that has been VH4/Marshall live. On albums, he's used a lot of different amps in conjunction with the VH4/Marshall, including an Uberschall, Rivera K-Tre/Knucklehead, and probably a few others.

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Wow. Kinda hard to make that choice. Both have such fantastic tone. I guess in the end though I would have to pick Jerry since my own tone is already so similar.


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^ the thought, I believe, is that those two were just the Marshall. The Recto seems to have been around for Aenima, and I remember thinking there’s debate over whether the VH4 was around for Aenima or showed up only after it was recorded.


There's no debate. Opiate/Undertow = Marshall. Aenima (album) = Marshall/Rectifier. But then during one of the live tours for Aenima, he brought in the Diezel at some point and phased out the Rectifier. He said his bandmates preferred the Diezel in the mix. Everything after that has been VH4/Marshall live. On albums, he's used a lot of different amps in conjunction with the VH4/Marshall, including an Uberschall, Rivera K-Tre/Knucklehead, and probably a few others.


Even though Adam played only Marshall live during those early years, on Undertow album there was also a Rectifier according to Sylvia Massy.


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Oh right, this is Rig-Talk. We should add someone who wore skintight neon lycra and stuffed their pants with a rolled up tube sock. :lol: :LOL:


Or tight jeans with a sock. Haha

Seriously, I like both bands, but never enough to focus on their guitar tones. If I had to choose, I guess it would be Adam Jones.

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The thing I like about Adam’s tone after he added the VH4 is that his staccato type riffs tightened up. That helps a lot on songs like Jambi. His right hand picking is super tight and accurate. It wouldn’t be the same without that amp. It’s a tough call for me as to which rig I’d rather have.


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^ the thought, I believe, is that those two were just the Marshall. The Recto seems to have been around for Aenima, and I remember thinking there’s debate over whether the VH4 was around for Aenima or showed up only after it was recorded.


There's no debate. Opiate/Undertow = Marshall. Aenima (album) = Marshall/Rectifier. But then during one of the live tours for Aenima, he brought in the Diezel at some point and phased out the Rectifier. He said his bandmates preferred the Diezel in the mix. Everything after that has been VH4/Marshall live. On albums, he's used a lot of different amps in conjunction with the VH4/Marshall, including an Uberschall, Rivera K-Tre/Knucklehead, and probably a few others.


Even though Adam played only Marshall live during those early years, on Undertow album there was also a Rectifier according to Sylvia Massy.


First I've heard that. Either way, that JC Dobbs live recording is my favorite tone of his and it's all Marshall.

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Jerry all day long. Any era.


While I appreciate the Adams Jones tone my vote has to go to Mr. Cantrell, his tone out shines Adams collectively speaking from Mogner Snorkler, Fish, Shiva to the Friedman era.

I remember seeing them on David Lettermen in the early 90's with either JCM800 or JCM900's and Jerry's tone was awesome, his live tone in the early 90's was excellent if you watch concert vids from that era. Not exactly sure what he was using in 1990-1992 era live but it sounded great.


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I don’t think Cantrell ever used the Snorkler live because it wasn’t his amp.


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love em both , going with cantrell just the best tone imo


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I don’t think Cantrell ever used the Snorkler live because it wasn’t his amp.

Yup, that thread long ago where Mr C(Ronnie Champagne?) chimed in, he was the producer of facelift? He was the owner of the Snorkler, which was a Bogner modded JCM 800 4010 combo converted to a head. He wouldn't sell it to Jerry or anyone else for that matter.
Cool thread, here's an excerpt.....
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^ the thought, I believe, is that those two were just the Marshall. The Recto seems to have been around for Aenima, and I remember thinking there’s debate over whether the VH4 was around for Aenima or showed up only after it was recorded.


There's no debate. Opiate/Undertow = Marshall. Aenima (album) = Marshall/Rectifier. But then during one of the live tours for Aenima, he brought in the Diezel at some point and phased out the Rectifier. He said his bandmates preferred the Diezel in the mix. Everything after that has been VH4/Marshall live. On albums, he's used a lot of different amps in conjunction with the VH4/Marshall, including an Uberschall, Rivera K-Tre/Knucklehead, and probably a few others.

I have to say that the tone one 'The Pot' is amazing....and it's a mix of those amps you mentioned and more.

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I've basically had Adam's rig as well, + two or three Silverbursts.


Just from experience of having owned a bunch of VH4s, the original blueface is nothing like the silverface VH4s. This is why Tool's management put out a notice on the Tool blog looking for an original blueface. Funny thing was they used a picture of the one I own. :lol: :LOL:

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Holy shit Jason, that’s incredible.

Wow, indeed it is.
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Thank you gentlemen. :rock:

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^ the thought, I believe, is that those two were just the Marshall. The Recto seems to have been around for Aenima, and I remember thinking there’s debate over whether the VH4 was around for Aenima or showed up only after it was recorded.


There's no debate. Opiate/Undertow = Marshall. Aenima (album) = Marshall/Rectifier. But then during one of the live tours for Aenima, he brought in the Diezel at some point and phased out the Rectifier. He said his bandmates preferred the Diezel in the mix. Everything after that has been VH4/Marshall live. On albums, he's used a lot of different amps in conjunction with the VH4/Marshall, including an Uberschall, Rivera K-Tre/Knucklehead, and probably a few others.


Even though Adam played only Marshall live during those early years, on Undertow album there was also a Rectifier according to Sylvia Massy.


He had a Rectifier in 1994 live you can see it here and here:




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Need a roommate? :lol: :LOL:
I love pretty much all Jerry’s tones. His newer Friedman tones are probably more my style but they’re all great.


All my roommates are required to tech for me so if I come home drunk at 2 a.m. and start playing to impress some chicks I brought back to the house and am too smashed to play good and pound on your door demanding that you fix the clean channel because it's "too pitchy, dawg." you have to play along. :thumbsup:

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^ the thought, I believe, is that those two were just the Marshall. The Recto seems to have been around for Aenima, and I remember thinking there’s debate over whether the VH4 was around for Aenima or showed up only after it was recorded.


There's no debate. Opiate/Undertow = Marshall. Aenima (album) = Marshall/Rectifier. But then during one of the live tours for Aenima, he brought in the Diezel at some point and phased out the Rectifier. He said his bandmates preferred the Diezel in the mix. Everything after that has been VH4/Marshall live. On albums, he's used a lot of different amps in conjunction with the VH4/Marshall, including an Uberschall, Rivera K-Tre/Knucklehead, and probably a few others.

I have to say that the tone one 'The Pot' is amazing....and it's a mix of those amps you mentioned and more.

They both have top tier tones with legendary amps but that song is probably why I chose Adam's rig.


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I had an old Blueface VH4 for a bit, and I thought it by itself nailed The Pot sound IMHO. I know he blends all kinds of amps on the records, but I thought that one sounded predominantly VH4.


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Looks like Jerry is getting ahead in the poll.

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Looks like Jerry is getting ahead in the poll.

I wonder who could've beaten Jerry? vchizzle picked two giants for sure.


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I had an old Blueface VH4 for a bit, and I thought it by itself nailed The Pot sound IMHO. I know he blends all kinds of amps on the records, but I thought that one sounded predominantly VH4.

Agreed. When I saw him with just both VH4’s this week, it sounded very much like that tone. The more modern Jones tone. It sounded great. I would’ve loved to hear the Marshall mixed in though.


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Looks like Jerry is getting ahead in the poll.

I wonder who could've beaten Jerry? vchizzle picked two giants for sure.

I think since Jerry has a more distinct lead tone, it’d be tough for Adam to win the poll here. I love both tones and styles of each of these guys.


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No enough selections... haha


Oh right, this is Rig-Talk. We should add someone who wore skintight neon lycra and stuffed their pants with a rolled up tube sock. :lol: :LOL:


Or tight jeans with a sock. Haha

Seriously, I like both bands, but never enough to focus on their guitar tones. If I had to choose, I guess it would be Adam Jones.


This really surprises me. Knowing your style, at least from my earlier days on RT I would think you'd prefer Jerry's Facelift tone.

I thought about this a bit more and for me, Jerry's tone is like the second coming of VH if there ever was such a thing. It's coming from that place but different enough to stand out. It was chased by TONS of players over decades but in a much less obvious way than Eddie's was and still is.

Another thought, Jerry's sound could probably work well in most modern rock/metal situations while Adam's is more specific to that Tool sound which is part of what makes Adam's sound so special.

Gear-wise it's almost even for me but I think Jerry gets the "better" recorded tones.

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