Amp mystery : is the peavey butcher 2 a plexi and a 2203 in one box?

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its the second time i'm reading this.. people who analyse the schematic telling the "clean" channel is almost a 1:1 match for the bright channel of a plexi and the "crunch" channel is a 100% clone of a 2203 with the punch control offering the most popular tweaks, switchable fxloop and 2 PPIMV and a MV for the plexi

the clean boost and crunch boost adds capacitors to add gain to both channels..

it would make sense.. huge transformers, 5 12ax7, 4 el34..

what's your opinions on this??

are those the "Authentic Marshall circuit clone, big transformers, switchable mods, simple controls, USA made" as said in the article?


https://totallyradguitars.com/blog/2024/6/9/new-amp-peavey-butcher-series-2

(post #10 and up)

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/i...n-increase-help-advice.2315389/#post-33797921
 
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Yeah the old ones I was talking, I forget there even is a new one, doesn’t seem like that one sold too well
 
RaceU4her said:
Yeah the old ones I was talking, I forget there even is a new one, doesn’t seem like that one sold too well
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this amp is one if the worst marketing failure by peavey.. they never even hinted what it was and the demos are just terrible, like even them dont seem to have a clue about the amp they designed.

once you understand it and treat it as a marshall clone, everything make sense

what and why use boosts/distortion pedals and how to use the ppimv and mv, how to eq it, what speaker to use it with, etc...

my best speaker match, up to date, is lynchbacks. make sense, british amp, greenback on steroids.
 
If I remember right, the Butcher was a straight up 2203 clone and the VTM took it a step further with the DIP switches turning it into a Jose modded 800 clone....I think the VTM was cloned from a Jose 800 owned by Ron Keel???
I read all this long ago so it may be off a bit...
 
I never knew this, and always heard that the newer Butcher was a totally different amp to the original Butcher. That made no sense to me. Why would Peavey resurrect the Butcher and make it completely different to the original? It makes more sense to make a 2 channel version, with effects loop, and maybe some selectable mods. So basically make it a more modern modded 800 with some added features.
 
I didn’t even think the Butcher 2 ever really hit the market but IIRC people were saying it was basically based on the Crunch channel of the JSX…
 
ZEEGLER said:
Why would Peavey resurrect the Butcher and make it completely different to the original?
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Years ago on the Peavey forum I read it had something to do with trademarks. If they don't use the name, they lose it. Same thing with the Rockmaster name, supposedly. First there was the Rockmaster head, then the Rockmaster preamp, then the Rockmaster guitar.

Keep in mind this info may have just been an opinion of another member as opposed to a Peavey moderator.
 
Bardagh said:
I didn’t even think the Butcher 2 ever really hit the market but IIRC people were saying it was basically based on the Crunch channel of the JSX…
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I think this was initially to be a new JSX, then Satriani bailed. They ended up renaming it, just as they did with the original JSX, calling it a Triple XXX II..
 
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I see people comparing the old ones to jcm 800.



The old ones = unbearably bright.




Never tossed a 2010+ version.
But it wouldn't surprise me.



Now if it was a "boutique amp builder" and not a peavey butcher people would be sniffing it's asscrack and paying copious amounts for the circuit.



Wierd how all this actually works marketing wise. 🙃
 
ChuggNorris said:
I see people comparing the old ones to jcm 800.



The old ones = unbearably bright.




Never tossed a 2010+ version.
But it wouldn't surprise me.



Now if it was a "boutique amp builder" and not a peavey butcher people would be sniffing it's asscrack and paying copious amounts for the circuit.



Wierd how all this actually works marketing wise. 🙃
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I don't know where this myth originated. I've owned two of them. They're no brighter than an 800. I've had an 800 and a Butcher side by side and there is little if any difference tone wise.
 
The original Butcher head and matching cab was the first guitar amp I ever bought back in the mid-80s (I was 14 and mowed many lawns to earn that amp). From my recollection, it was most definitely like playing a JCM800. Very simple layout and took pedals well. It was a lot of amp to handle for a 14-year-old. Wish I had it now to put it through its paces.
 
ZEEGLER said:
I don't know where this myth originated. I've owned two of them. They're no brighter than an 800. I've had an 800 and a Butcher side by side and there is little if any difference tone wise.
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Maybe I had a bad one. I didn't pay enough for it at the time to keep messing with it and it was one of my first amps. Real long time ago... like way on back.

I'd still be interested to hear the version 2.
 
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