Pedals in the loop question

I also have a Tremolo in the loop that doubles as a boost if I need it. Kind of a sleeper pedal because you can put it on very lightly to thicken a rhythm or lead tone.

Simple is where it's at.

Don't be scared of some screens, the simplicity is in the design itself.

I had some pedals without screens with hidden features and "have to hold this button at the same time to adjust parameter X" and I hated it.

You will eventually find that pedal.

I'd suggest you also check out some videos with good monitors. Some people don't like Andertons but this is a great blindfold delay shootout. They have one with Bea and reverb as well.

I'd recommend that you also listen to the video as opposed to watching and see what 'grabs your ear'.

No Time Line here, but they have a Strymon in the mix as well.



Delay shootout:

 
for fun this is my pedal board.
everything is right to left
lower row is pre amp
upper row is the loop
eq > noise gate 'x', trem, delay, reverb,
that loop station is not plugged in


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GuitarGuy08 said:
I also have a Tremolo in the loop that doubles as a boost if I need it. Kind of a sleeper pedal because you can put it on very lightly to thicken a rhythm or lead tone.

Simple is where it's at.

Don't be scared of some screens, the simplicity is in the design itself.

I had some pedals without screens with hidden features and "have to hold this button at the same time to adjust parameter X" and I hated it.

You will eventually find that pedal.

I'd suggest you also check out some videos with good monitors. Some people don't like Andertons but this is a great blindfold delay shootout. They have one with Bea and reverb as well.

I'd recommend that you also listen to the video as opposed to watching and see what 'grabs your ear'.

No Time Line here, but they have a Strymon in the mix as well.



Delay shootout:

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This was a good demo. After watching this the Walrus Audio ARP-87 caught my attention. I went to the Walrus Audio site and they had a blemished ARP-87 for $130 so I pulled the trigger! Thanks everyone.
 
When it comes to delay, I keep coming back to the DD-3.
Just sounds great and I don't notice a difference in tone whether engaged or not.

Even my ML jr changes the tone slightly...

In the loop of PS-2 I run a vintage CE-2, Diamond Tremelo, ML jr, DD-3T and Dr. Scientist Reverberator.
Pedalboard is really just for looks at his point though, I only use the DD-3, Reverberator and tuner.
Drives in front and mod pedals in loop never get used anymore.
 
dcburn said:
When it comes to delay, I keep coming back to the DD-3.
Just sounds great and I don't notice a difference in tone whether engaged or not.

Even my ML jr changes the tone slightly...

In the loop of PS-2 I run a vintage CE-2, Diamond Tremelo, ML jr, DD-3T and Dr. Scientist Reverberator.
Pedalboard is really just for looks at his point though, I only use the DD-3, Reverberator and tuner.
Drives in front and mod pedals in loop never get used anymore.
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That is because it affects the tone CONSTANTLY.

That is why you didn't hear a difference with it on or off.

There is a buffer in the unit that is always on and not able to be bypassed.
 
MetalThrasher said:
This was a good demo. After watching this the Walrus Audio ARP-87 caught my attention. I went to the Walrus Audio site and they had a blemished ARP-87 for $130 so I pulled the trigger! Thanks everyone.
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Sweet! I almost got one of those as well. Hope you enjoy it.
 
GuitarGuy08 said:
That is because it affects the tone CONSTANTLY.

That is why you didn't hear a difference with it on or off.

There is a buffer in the unit that is always on and not able to be bypassed.
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So how do you roll from here?

Go with the tonal difference of the ML jr?
Continue to roll with the DD-3T?
Remove DD-3T from chain and try ML jr again?

Are you saying that the ML jr will sound different if I remove the DD-3T from chain, both are on board in loop?

Im not a pro with all these pedals. Or pedal order for that matter.

When it comes to buffers and such, I am running an old CE-2>ML jr>DD-3T>Diamond Tremelo>Dr Scientist Reverberator

Serious question.
 
dcburn said:
So how do you roll from here?

Go with the tonal difference of the ML jr?
Continue to roll with the DD-3T?
Remove DD-3T from chain and try ML jr again?

Are you saying that the ML jr will sound different if I remove the DD-3T from chain, both are on board in loop?

Im not a pro with all these pedals. Or pedal order for that matter.

When it comes to buffers and such, I am running an old CE-2>ML jr>DD-3T>Diamond Tremelo>Dr Scientist Reverberator

Serious question.
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Every buffer interacts differently. IME every buffer changes the sound. No matter who lakes them, they all affect the tone in slightly different ways. I always hear them 'restricting' my frequency range when I A/B my sound with and without pedals with buffers on.

I have disliked every Boss buffer I have used. I still use Boss pedals for tones and recording but if I had a choice, I would not always leave it in my signal chain.

It may be part of your sound though, so just roll with it.

Just saying that the signal does not sound affected when the pedal is on or off because it is already affected by the buffer built in.
 
MetalThrasher said:
I rarely use the effects loop on all of my amps. I want to start and try utilizing the effects loop What 2 pedals would you recommend I start with? I already have a delay in mind. What other type of pedal should I try? Also, what is a good delay pedal to start with? I know this is rabbit hole just like OD's. Don't mind spending a little for a delay as I would rather get a good one to start with. I'm basically just an OD and noise gate into the front of the amp person.
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I'm a chorus, delay, and reverb guy.. An EQ as well, depending on the amp. Those are really all I use, (flange maybe too).
 
modulation, delay verb in the loop. The first pedal I always put in the loop is a good gate. As far as delays... The Strymon TimeLine can do just about anything. I also like the SDE-3000 and the Halo delay. Or if you want to keep it simple, a good DD-3.
 
Earthquaker Devices Dispatch Master in the loop. Simple to use 2 in 1 Delay and Reverb. Sounds great and it the perfect delay for people who hate messing with delays and just want something subtle in the back
 
Going to second the motion for the Strymon Timeline. It's pricey, but it does some things much better for me than other pedals, and I guess that's what you're paying the extra for. In my case, I was very happy with the T.C. Flashback, it's a great delay for the $$$ and super simple. Being a 1 guitar band, we had a tune that called for a dissonant guitar chord intro to be tapped into the loop while playing the intro riff over top. The flashback could handle it, put you could hear that the pedal for lack of a better word 'Shelved' the loop part in favor of the riff I was playing over top of it. Basically, the Flashback was having trouble letting both parts sing thru the amp at the same clarity and volume. (Yes, I had the loop volume dimmed). I had shelved the Strymon in favor of the flashback due to ease of use. Out of curiosity, I returned the Timeline to the lineup, and tried the same scenario (Looped intro while riffing over top). Had to make a little loop volume adjustment using the parameter button, but Wow, what a difference in the clarity of the 2 parts together. Unreal! After that, I started tinkering around with the Timeline and quickly learned that although there is a shit-ton of tweakability, it's not a hard pedal to figure out and bettter yet get amazing delays out of.
Again, not knocking the Flashback at all,,,that pedal has seen many a gig and never let me down!
I just never really to the time to appreciate the Strymon Timeline and what it can do until that point. Now it's the go to Delay for me.
Finally, for whatever reason, the Timeline did not like running thru my 2008 Soldano SLO. The effects loop on that is very picky with delays from my experience.
 
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