The IIC+reissue goes live Dec. 3rd. $3599

[c+addict]

The thing is, if it is spec'd just like the original, with the same component values, I don't see how it can sound or feel THAT much different than an original.

I had a chat with a good friend who is an electrical engineer and he always gets a good chuckle out of the whole "these capacitors and resistors from the 19__'s add a special magic that can never be replicated!" If they are spec'd the same....they will do the same thing in an amp. Same with transformers. He thinks Mesa not being able to re-create the 2C+ transformers as nonsense. Steve Fryette has said that as well.

I am seriously considering giving one a go; love my MarkIV and loved the HRG 2C+ I played, so I am betting this will rip!

What probably can't be replicated are the tubes. Modern production tubes are good but I prefer the Sylvania's, Tungsram's and Chinese Square Getters in my c+'s.

 

[Exo-metal]

Comparing a Simul and 100 watt side by side it's easy to tell them apart. And some are faster. My Factory HRG++ is really fast.

That's how my KG IIC+/++ gets down too.

 

[VHTStark]

What probably can't be replicated are the tubes. Modern production tubes are good but I prefer the Sylvania's, Tungsram's and Chinese Square Getters in my c+'s.

That is certainly true. Have you tried any modern tubes in your Mesa's? I suppose with a supply of NOS tubes, you don't have to, but curious if you have just to try.

Keeping tonal response separate, I definitely think the vintage tubes were made to a higher standard. I have had plenty of brand new modern tubes (mostly preamp) fail on me right out of the box.

 

[VHTStark]

if they got the feel down, which is what makes mine so great, ill buy one for $3600.

100% agree on this. I am picky with an amps feel and I knew within about 5 seconds I loved the feel of the 2C+ I played. I don't know if I have ever played another amp that combined that level of give/bounce under the fingers with being that tight and immediate.

 

[Erock]

What probably can't be replicated are the tube

as a tube amp junkie, this keeps me up at night. Even disregarding the banned chemicals, I wonder who even makes the stamping dies these days, and how often the factories even think about replacing them.

 

[Kalluget]

Most overrated amp known to a man.

 

[Holy-diver]

100% agree on this. I am picky with an amps feel and I knew within about 5 seconds I loved the feel of the 2C+ I played. I don't know if I have ever played another amp that combined that level of give/bounce under the fingers with being that tight and immediate.

This is what I think too, if they get the feel right (which I think is very possible if not even probable) then this is a win for everyone, detractors and snobs be damned The mark vii was a step in the right direction in that regard, it moved the feel in a great direction compared to the V in my opinion. I’m excited to try one. Wish they had the hrg version though.

 

[crwnedblasphemy]

I saw a YouTube vid, guy said they were limited to a number of units. Don’t know if he is accurate, or speculation? He was saying the recto was black with chrome chassis and big Mesa badge.

 

[VHTStark]

This is what I think too, if they get the feel right (which I think is very possible if not even probable) then this is a win for everyone, detractors and snobs be damned The mark vii was a step in the right direction in that regard, it moved the feel in a great direction compared to the V in my opinion. I’m excited to try one. Wish they had the hrg version though.

Agree with everything here, man!

If this turns out to be a very faithful recreation tone and feel wise of a 2C+, everybody does win. For the collectors: no need to lose sleep, your OG amps will still be vintage, rare and worth big money. Just look at other reissued amps by other manufacturers, including Marshall. And if you already own a 2C+, I am sure you would rather gig a reissue than the real deal.

I think so as well. The mkV was a cool amp, but it was noticeably more compressed and less big and punchy than my mkIV. You could dial in great tones on it, but for me, that is an example of an amp where "in the room" playing experience is a big deal. Never loved the feel of that one.

The mkvii I tried was much more like the mkiv in feel AND has the awesome crunch mode that I loved from the mkV.

Ya....the only 2C+ I have experience on is an HRG and it was a fantastic amp!

 

[Catthan]

100% agree on this. I am picky with an amps feel and I knew within about 5 seconds I loved the feel of the 2C+ I played. I don't know if I have ever played another amp that combined that level of give/bounce under the fingers with being that tight and immediate.

this!

my SRGX did not sound all that different than a mk3 or my studio pre but i’ve never played an amp like it. just not in the market for “feel” anymore and it won’t feel as nice and cool owning a new one vs the OG. whatever they do with the reissue i think it will be hard to make a bad amp out of it

 

[bugsy5150]

My hope is that making it not like a Swiss Army knife and keeping it simple will not rob it from the magic!!

 

[RaceU4her]

100% agree on this. I am picky with an amps feel and I knew within about 5 seconds I loved the feel of the 2C+ I played. I don't know if I have ever played another amp that combined that level of give/bounce under the fingers with being that tight and immediate.

i read about the mythical feel since i started forum'ing many years ago and wasnt sure what that even really meant, since getting mine though i now understand, the way the thing reacts to my palm mutes is in a league of its own and its just addicting and fun to play. i know some guys say they dont feel it as much, i guess some versions feel different than others, but whatever is going on with mine and my playing is just wonderful and i understand why they go for what they do, a new one for basically half the price of going rate sounds wonderful to me, i hope they pulled it off

 

[SonVolt]

If they do the IIC+ reissue correctly, it should sound much more open and raw than the Mark VII. I had a Mark VII for a short while and it was incredibly compressed and small sounding. If you played a Mark VII and a real IIC+ back to back it would be a night and day difference.

This is how I felt about my Mark V vs my Mark IV.

 

[Tonelover]

My SW just left me a message "good news about that amp you were asking about." I called back to reserve one, can always say no thanks when they come in. He also said that SW has 34 preorders so far.

 

[frontline205]

Who has one on order. I’m on the sweetwater list. Buddy has an original C+. It’s awesome.
Thing is it’s just a C+ amp not a channel on a newer model.
I would love to have an original but I’m not spending that kind of coin.

I have one on order I'm supposed to get it to on launch day.

 

[VESmedic]

Oh awesome. I can’t wait to completely go on with my day knowing I’m not interested in the most overrated amp in existence next to its homie the SLO.

 

[shar-vell Dan]

Made in China.

 

[cardinal]

Oh awesome. I can’t wait to completely go on with my day knowing I’m not interested in the most overrated amp in existence next to its homie the SLO.

Haha. I had a C+ DRG and an '89 SLO and kind of agree they seem overrated. But I'm a knuckle dragger whose favorite high gain amp is the 5152, so it's possible that I just like shit tone.

 

[japetus]

Oh awesome. I can’t wait to completely go on with my day knowing I’m not interested in the most overrated amp in existence next to its homie the SLO.

Hey man, I was wondering since you are pretty well-informed about recording...was the IIc+ used on any recordings of note?

 

[NowYou'rePlayingWithPower]

Hey man, I was wondering since you are pretty well-informed about recording...was the IIc+ used on any recordings of note?