Brutal tones/stock superleads?

Exo-metal

Exo-metal

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Lotta talk these days about old Marshall's that compete with cascaded levels of gain but where are the crushing brutal clips?

Can anyone provide enough evidence to make us remove all the mods of the past and return these amps to stock?

How many of you use a stock 1959/86 100/50w plexi era amp with a distortion pedal in front and prefer that to a high gain mod? This thread excludes PaulyC and RacerXrated lol
 
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just need to search on Marshall amp modern metal tone

JVM410H OD2 Orange and Red
 
Yes, metal panel 1959/86 100/50w. I want the wave of proof that level of gain is possible now with pedals to turning these amps into what the gain mods were initially needed for these tones. Is that era over now?
 
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Exo-metal said:
Wrong amp, this is not about 2203,2204 boosted amps.
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I used to have some 1959s but didn't have recording equipment then. They were similar to the cascaded 2203/04 but not as saturated IMHO. So it'd be in the same ballpark as these, especially if you ran a bit more boost on top of the SD-1.

Had to run them around 8ish on the treble channel. I never cared for jumping them.
 
Well this is about the gain and saturation for those mods that produce the sustain and harmonics by pedals now.
 
Exo-metal said:
Lotta talk these days about old boosted Marshall's that compete with cascaded levels of gain but where are the crushing brutal clips?

Can anyone provide enough evidence to make us remove all the mods of the past and return these amps to stock?
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:D:rawk:
 
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All the modded Super Leads and clone circuits alike I've played, the mods on the amp seem to sound and feel much more organic than boosting with an OD pedal with the mods off/disengaged. A clean boost pedal sounds more natural IME, but not quite as aggressive as a mod or OD pedal.
 
thegame said:
I've said this before but I'll say it again: mods can potentially shape and fine tune the tone before, in between and after the amp's gain stages. Pedals can only push what's already there in stock form before the amp's 1st gain stage only. On that alone, mods are superior.
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Yes, and no.
(Sorry Ted gotta chime in here)

We're talking about using a distortion pedal, not boost/ODs. They don't have the same effect on the first stage like a boost/OD does. When the Plexi is set clean, using a distortion pedal can add saturation on top of gain, and, the vol on the pedal acts as a master volume. So, in my case, I get all the thunder of the 1972 Superlead power section (pv 560v), mids of the Marshall, and tons of thick gain that is far heavier than even a double OD boost could supply. Using 2 ODs, there is NO volume control as the amp is pushing 2-300 watts with both ODs. Superleads are rated at 100w clean power, 170w into distortion; boosting them pushes that number higher.
So, a distortion pedal in front of a Plexi is a different experience than any OD pedal.
 
My ‘69 is all stock other than power supply filtering and a 100pf bright cap. It has alot of gain without even an OD in front. A distortion pedal in front would be a mud fest unless turned way down.
 
This is a metro ‘69 circuit. Straight in, no pedal but a pretty hot 500t pickup. Volume on the amp would have been at about 6 or so.

 
Greazygeo said:
My ‘69 is all stock other than power supply filtering and a 100pf bright cap. It has alot of gain without even an OD in front. A distortion pedal in front would be a mud fest unless turned way down.
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Not if you set the Marshall to be clean. Once the crunch starts happening, it gets wooly and uncontrollable. But my 72 with Griff's TR pedal is saturated, thick and clear gain with absolutely NO mud. Just have to keep the Marshall clean.
 
To everyone who has seen this thread. I know what our problem is, we aren't RacerXrated. I get this call and it goes to the effect of, "you know you have the ultimate distortion pedal already." So instantly I knew where this was going. I told him last year of a Langner preamp that was owned by someone who knew Todd as I did. During the process the owner mentioned something that rang in my head but let it go by as it was told to me. He said when Todd demo'd the preamp it was plugged straight into the front of a fender combo Todd owned and it was absolutely brutal in his words.

This = DCP-1>clean old marshall plexi= scream bloody gore...

RacerXrated is smarter than everyone, the end.
 
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