japetus
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Hypersonic missiles? You guys are funny. This ain't 1996. Those are nothing compared to the tungsten rods we have in space. Now that's some truly scary shit. All the power of a nuke with no fallout.
acceptance
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JackBootedThug
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If you folks think the people who are responsible for Covid wouldn’t start ww3 your nuts. They are fucking evil. This is clearly government bureaucrats trying to sabotage everything before the change of power happens. Biden isn’t responsible, he’s fucking ate up with dementia. It’s blinkin or someone else calling the shots….more likely a cabal of idiots doing it.
JackBootedThug
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I read an article about stealth missles. This was in the late 80’s before stealth fighters and bombers were officially introduced. I think anyway..can’t remember specifically. But the moral of my story is I guarantee you that we have nuclear capable stealth cruise missles or ICBM’s that can be fired and hit a target undetected until the flash and mushroom cloud rises. And I’m sure we have hypersonic weapons as well. The only threat Putin has is their nuclear weapons and willingness to use them. The USA and Europe need to back the fuck off. Today’s Russia is not the mighty ussr of the 80’s. Ukraine has exposed them for what they are. However they have enough nuclear weapons to destroy all life on the planet. They just don’t want NATO on their borders. Which has been agreed to by us and NATO many times and it’s been ignored just as many times. It’s a dangerous game. Don’t push Putin to far, if he thinks he’s losing power and his life…he’ll probably hit the red button.
NowYou'rePlayingWithPower
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They aren't ICBMs nor was it hypersonic. Patriot defense systems on their own intercept hypersonic kinzhal at a rate of around 25%. This does not include using electronic warfare that isn't shared with anyone outside of the US. The Oreshniks are expensive, rare, and rely on satellites that we know the locations of every single one at any given moment. They cannot travel far and is why they primarily focus resources on ones launched from aircraft. They would probably fall from the sky after some clock and fuel data changes are made using Russia's own systems if they attempted use on NATO.
186,000 miles per second is slightly faster than 2500 mph (which is closer to reality than the claimed 7700). Redundant AI guidance would be fairly easy to confuse. Most of the technology and development of these have been around since the 80s and something tells me we haven't been sitting on our hands ignoring it. Russia was probably trying to see if we would pull out a card up our sleeve, so they could work on countering it before a direct conflict. I doubt it would be shown unless WWIII breaks out. I would also go on TV and say that we have no idea how to intercept these things and need to spend $ on developing systems.
There's so much more to this.
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VonBonfire
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It's interesting to hear everyone's perspectives. I don't really believe in nukes so I don't know what to make of all of it. What I do know is if the things that fly outside my loft windows are military craft then we have some pretty good tech. I think the solar flare/EMP burst from the sun will send us all back to the 1700's at some point. *shrugs
I hope all you are well this Friday. Praying for a peaceful resolution to the Ukraine stuff and a peaceful transfer of power come January.
I hope all you are well this Friday. Praying for a peaceful resolution to the Ukraine stuff and a peaceful transfer of power come January.
acceptance
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Where are you getting this from? I have been reading for years that the US doesn't believe that Russia has hypersonic capability. Putin said these missiles are Mach 10 and have a 6,000 km range. You think this is just talk?
Of course there always is.
acceptance
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It hasn't been officially declared, but it is already implied according to Putin's comments that if Western countries assist Ukraine in using the western missile systems striking into Russia then they will be party to the conflict and subject to response. We're already at war with Russia.
NowYou'rePlayingWithPower
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US NRO satellite data measured launch location, signatures of heat source/temps to determine fuel type and size of booster, launch time from location to time to impact, etc. It was apparently traveling at less than Mach 5 which is minimum for hypersonic. That's not saying they don't have hypersonic missiles in some fashion like when already launched from an aircraft traveling at mach 2, but mach 10 is a reach given the size and fuel needed to get it there from a ground launch which would tell us the minimum size needed to do so.
I suppose they could have next generation alien tech that have surpassed known fuel chemistry and advanced materials to handle the friction and stress of traveling that fast without breaking apart from a minor course change, but they weren't using it. I'm not saying that they aren't scary, but I'm pretty certain that ground based interception isn't the only tool we're working with. I feel that in a worst case scenario, we probably would use nuclear weapons to intercept them if electronic warfare, lasers, or railguns didn't work.
NowYou'rePlayingWithPower
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I don't think we've ever not been at war with Russia/USSR post WWII.
japetus
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harddriver
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I've heard the arguments that Nuclear bombs are not real, and that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were just carpet fire bombings like Dresden in Germany and while some interesting points are made I do believe Nuclear Weapons are quite real.
I've seen the video of the guy eating Uranium to prove his point that it is not dangerous, I would not do so. I can only tell you that Radiation, Radiation poisoning and contamination is real and Nuclear power plants are quite real as I have worked inside them and inspected them for many years. I have become very anti nuclear since the full 3 reactor meltdowns at Fukushima, they don't even know where the melted fuel masses are at, the buildings are so radioactive, the robots that do get in the buildings their circuitry fries due to the intense gamma radiation. Those sites will never be cleaned up 100% no matter how they sell it. Nuclear power is not a clean technology and no matter how they try to sell it the western reactor designs performed no better than Chernobyl in 1986, they were 100% containment failures and the spent fuel pools almost drained and caught fire.....Nuclear plants are safe until they are not. All three GE BWR designers quit in protest when GE went to full scale production and sales of the BWR rector design in the late 60's early 70's... They argued the design was not safe and had potential safety flaws that were not being addressed and GE said....Too late we have sold them all over the world already they are going to be built. I think mankind has been merely lucky there haven't been more nuclear accidents and now our entire fleet of nuke plants are over the maximum designed 40 year lifespan of the reactor vessels due to neutron embrittlement of the stainless steel of which the utilities keep extending the licenses because it's too expensive to build new ones and the current reactors are paid off and pure profit for them to keep running.
They are even talking about trying to restart reactor #1 shutdown in 2019 Three Mile Island which suffered melting of the the #2 reactor vessel during it's accident in 1979 and has been decommissioned.
https://www.reuters.com/business/en...e-island-power-plant-restart-plan-2024-10-25/
https://www.technologyreview.com/2024/09/26/1104516/three-mile-island-microsoft/
The AI and large server centers need alot of continuous power, the elites will build small nuclear plants to support their own ecosystems if they can get away with building their Hunger Games Society. Renewables are a pipe dream that's all they will ever be. You cannot power a modern industrial society with intermittent unreliable energy sources.
The elites will weaponize anything to gain or retain power and control. Bills Gates and his WEF buddies would like nothing more than to completely shut down the worlds power grids for 6-9 month while they hibernate in their Maui and New Zealand bunkers waiting for the untermensch to die off.
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acceptance
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Floyd Eye
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Racerxrated
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This.
Hypersonic defines a speed. ALL ballistic missiles are Hypersonic, all. We've had ICBMs since the late 60s. We also have ICBMs with multiple release, guided nuclear warheads. This Russian missile is simply a shorter range ballistic, with the same multiple release guided warheads but with a conventional payload. Nothing new, to see here. Putin just decided he wanted to make a big noise and launch what he has very few of, for effect.
BTW the Kinzahls HAVE been intercepted by our Patriots, and this is a system that is over 50 yrs old. And, those in use aren't the updated versions we have here and elsewhere in Eu for fear of that tech becoming discovered and used by Ivan. So, if our outdated version is taking out Kinzahls, what would our newest best versions be able to do? Not to mention, sea and air based Laser intercept, and satellite....these have been tested and have succeeded.
The Russian Hypersonic glide bombs have to be launched 500 miles or closer to target. In any conflict we would very simply and easily shoot these aircraft down. They can't get close enough to be used. China supposedly has one that can fly around the world but it hasn't been able to be controlled so that tech is not available yet.
For all Putin's Nuke Saber rattling, btw they've done this for over 70 yrs, he knows he cannot win in a war with the west. His military is still struggling to beat Ukraine. His Military is NOT modernized at all. The only chance to win would ensure his own death and destruction of Russia itself, and even he's not that stupid....to launch an all out Nuclear strike. We also have 7k nukes, (no not 5K lol) and all of our delivery systems work, there are Air Force MOS that have that job, to keep all electronics in top shape. I highly doubt Russia has maintained this on their end since the end of the cold war.
We have nothing to fear, at all....and yes, for you Putin nut huggers...we are far and away the most powerful military in the world.
acceptance
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I clarified that I believe that they have "the edge" but yeah I think there's a good case to be made. I make this estimate assuming that it is in fact true that they have something like 200 of these intercontinental hypersonic nuclear capable missiles and numerous more of the shorter range varieties. To me it shows that they have military supremacy in Europe as it appears there is no means of intercepting these missiles. But as has been noted there's always more to the story and an estimate like this doesn't mean that they couldn't lose in a war with the United States for example.That's ridiculous. Most powerful military ?
acceptance
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What people mean when talking about hypersonic missiles is that they are maneuverable at hypersonic speeds. And Mach 10, if true, is much faster then your average ballistic missile.
acceptance
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Could be. Not a bet I'd make.
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Racerxrated
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To a degree, yes. But again, we here in the US have nothing to fear from these since those bombers would easily be shot down before getting even close to range to fire at us. And, again, they've proven to be fallible as they've been shot down.
acceptance
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Yet he is not backing down. If anything he is matching the recent escalation by Biden administration. My take is that he doesn't want the war that some people think. On the other hand he aims to continue the objectives he set out to accomplish. I guess we can just wait and see what happens with people testing the limits. Hopefully it's not a FAFO type situation. I don't see the US itching to get their hands dirty by the way.