So where did all these votes come from?

MadAsAHatter · Friday at 9:49 AM

Just one of the headlines from the past few days...

With the biggest red shift we've ever seen; even in highly liberal states like New York and California, and over 99% of the votes already counted several weeks ago all of a sudden Trump has the slimmest margin for popular vote????

Last I looked at an election map was probably a week ago with AZ being the last holdout on having all the votes fully counted. The popular vote was about 64 million Harris to 73 million Trump. Now it's showing 74.2 million to 76.7 million. Where the heck did 10 million Harris votes come from?

Seriously, how do you go from this to Trump just barely won the popular vote?

84superchamp · Friday at 9:57 AM

Illegal votes always come in late. They have to be translated from English to Spanish, etc etc

acceptance · Friday at 10:00 AM

MadAsAHatter said:
Just one of the headlines from the past few days...
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With the biggest red shift we've ever seen; even in highly liberal states like New York and California, and over 99% of the votes already counted several weeks ago all of a sudden Trump has the slimmest margin for popular vote????

Last I looked at an election map was probably a week ago with AZ being the last holdout on having all the votes fully counted. The popular vote was about 64 million Harris to 73 million Trump. Now it's showing 74.2 million to 76.7 million. Where the heck did 10 million Harris votes come from?

Seriously, how do you go from this to Trump just barely won the popular vote?

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That sort of map is misleading, because there's no gradation. The popular vote shows that Trump won, but it's not like 90% versus 10. It's what, 48-52? And that's even of what I believe is the minority of people that actually voted.

MadAsAHatter · Friday at 10:17 AM

acceptance said:
That sort of map is misleading, because there's no gradation. The popular vote shows that Trump won, but it's not like 90% versus 10. It's what, 48-52? And that's even of what I believe is the minority of people that actually voted.

You're splitting hairs over an example map and missing the point of it anyway. You've seen the red shift maps so you know what I was getting at, unless you're that dense.

It was 46% to 54% prior, now it's showing 48.3% to 50% with not quite 2% unaccounted for. You don't just gain 10 million votes out of nowhere when 99% of the votes are already counted. And current report are leaving enough room to bring the margin even closer. The math isn't adding up.

acceptance · Friday at 11:51 AM

MadAsAHatter said:
You're splitting hairs over an example map and missing the point of it anyway. You've seen the red shift maps so you know what I was getting at, unless you're that dense.

It was 46% to 54% prior, now it's showing 48.3% to 50% with not quite 2% unaccounted for. You don't just gain 10 million votes out of nowhere when 99% of the votes are already counted. And current report are leaving enough room to bring the margin even closer. The math isn't adding up.

I think you've missed my point. I don't care about the margin between Trump and Kamala. There are some 340 million people in the United States. 75 million voted for Trump. That's like 23% of the population. It's not exactly a mandate for anything.

OldGtrGuy · Friday at 11:57 AM

They're still walking to California, it's not over yet.

rsm · Friday at 2:37 PM

acceptance said:
I think you've missed my point. I don't care about the margin between Trump and Kamala. There are some 340 million people in the United States. 75 million voted for Trump. That's like 23% of the population. It's not exactly a mandate for anything.

IIRC total voter turnout is estimated at around 50% of eligible voters in 2024 - it's not calculated yet.

The highest voter turnout in US history was in 1876, at 82.6% of eligible voters voting; Rutherford B. Hayes. In 2020, 66.6% of eligible voter turnout (that's a good number for Bozo Biden); turnout for 2016 was 57.3%

70 Mach 1 · Saturday at 10:15 AM

I find it mind boggling that many southern border counties are blue.
I can't figure that out

67mike · Saturday at 11:41 AM

I said ut after the 2020 elections: want a fair election? Then ALL mail in votes must be received at official voting station BEFORE ELECTION DAY.

shar-vell Dan · Saturday at 1:38 PM

dT has claimed the system is "rigged" for 12 years not he's claiming its not. Why should anyone believe the lying caulksucker ?

acceptance · Saturday at 2:04 PM

shar-vell Dan said:
dT has claimed the system is "rigged" for 12 years not he's claiming its not. Why should anyone believe the lying caulksucker ?

Geo · Sunday at 4:14 AM

MadAsAHatter · Sunday at 10:33 AM

acceptance said:
I think you've missed my point. I don't care about the margin between Trump and Kamala. There are some 340 million people in the United States. 75 million voted for Trump. That's like 23% of the population. It's not exactly a mandate for anything.

Well babies and toddlers can't vote so your numbers are off.

I'm more interested in where the 10million jump in votes for Harris came from when there wasn't that many votes left to be counted. Doing the math doesn't add up.

It's projected there was about 64% voter turnout which would be just short of 166 million voters of the 244.5 million eligible voters. A weeks ago Harris had roughly 64 million votes with 98-99% of votes counted. Then out of nowhere she jumped to 74.3 million votes. So 166 million x 98-99% = 162.7-164.3 million votes counted which left 3.2-1.7 million not counted yet.

Even if you go on the high side and assume 3.2 million uncounted votes were all for Harris, a person shitty at math can see 64 million + 3.2 million does not equal 74.3 million. That's 6.8 million votes that magically appeared; or worst case 8.3 million.
Meanwhile Trump's vote count hit about 76.5 million pretty much the day after the election and hadn't changed by more than a few hundred thousand.

At that point the election was called and too late to fake a win for Harris. But numbers are off and there's some funny math going on. I wouldn't put it past the Dems to fudge some numbers to make it look like Trump's victory wasn't the landslide originally thought. We've seen how much they're in denial on why they lost the election. They're desperately wanting to show Harris was the perfect candidate, they and she did no wrong and, she only lost because of misogyny and racism. It wouldn't surprise me if they faked/boosted Harris' numbers to keep that fantasy going.