Should I Trade a Rockerverb MKIII 50 for a JVM 410?
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braintheory
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I wouldn't. I find the JVM's too synthetic and compressed sounding. They're like hearing a recording of a Marshall in person. The high end on them especially imo is not very musical
angelspade
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rsm
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I think some sellers haven't seen the new, new price!
dead-pan
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Years ago when I was shopping for one I had decided on the HJS but never found a decent deal.
I am leary on this old JVM410.
Was only considering it as I have a 100 watt Orange Rockerverb MKiii also.
If only there was a market to sell amps here.
rsm
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I got my JVM410H last year, before the price drop. I wouldn't buy a very old one, as I can imagine it's crowded / complex inside if repairs are needed
nightlight
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I have a JVM410H, it's not a bad amp at all. I think the complaints about synthetic tones are mostly user error, there are a lot of modes and options.
For example, I see a lot of videos with the gain at 11-12 o'clock and higher. I like mine lower than 9 o'clock on the OD channels. it's probably the highest gain amp I've ever tried.
But I wouldn't trade a Rockerverb for one, just based on price.
For example, I see a lot of videos with the gain at 11-12 o'clock and higher. I like mine lower than 9 o'clock on the OD channels. it's probably the highest gain amp I've ever tried.
But I wouldn't trade a Rockerverb for one, just based on price.
braintheory
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It’s not user error, but I agree on setting the gain that low. If you compare it side by side with a jcm800 (even a brittle sounding reissue) or any amp with a more organic/less synthetic sound the jvm gets exposed very clearly in how processed it sounds on any given mode regardless of gain level. It’s just an inherent part of its sound sort of like how the UU has that filtered/cardboard-y quality no matter what you do. It sounds like you’re hearing a recording of a Marshall in person lol. The Mark 7 can be like that vs a vintage mark amp, but not as badly as I remember the JVM’s being and the JS model wasn’t any better in that department IME, just a tweaked voicing from what I remember when I tried it, equally processed sounding
Beyond Black
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This.
My 79 JMP exposed a JVM hard.
JVM sounded ok on it’s own, next to the JMP, “FS-JVM 410”
CarlF
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My JVM broke within ONE fucking year. Never again. I wasted money on new Preamp and Power Amp tubes and that wasn't the problem.
I can't lug a 50 lb head anywhere in my condition, so it's a Door Stop now. POS.
The JVM, IMO, has a generic clean, a USELESS Crunch channel. OD 1 was good, but the mid-shifted OD 2 sucked. Fuck that POS. Donating it to the Landfill.
I can't lug a 50 lb head anywhere in my condition, so it's a Door Stop now. POS.
The JVM, IMO, has a generic clean, a USELESS Crunch channel. OD 1 was good, but the mid-shifted OD 2 sucked. Fuck that POS. Donating it to the Landfill.
jabps
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My main JVM I've had since they first came out. Has done numerous gigs (300+), rehearsals and recordings - never an issue. In fact I just retubed it right before covid hit a few years ago. It's the single best amp "for me" I have ever owned.
Sounds is totally subjective, no way am I going to say my Bogner Ecstacy, or my Mezzabarba Trinity or SLO 100, VHT Ultra Lead or anything else I have had, sucked. Simply put something either works for me or it doesn't and the price tag plays no bearing. I've preached this for years on here but that's just me. I'll let others say something sucks or not.
If you can try them head to head and see which you like better - and there you go.
angelspade
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Literally everything is subjective when it comes to tone, but I try not to let price be too much of a factor these days. Certain ENGL amps can be pretty expensive and have what many might describe as inferior engineering and build quality...While the 5150 Iconic appears to be reliable, sounds killer and is very inexpensive. In terms of tone and build quality, sometimes you get what you pay for...Some would consider Diezel to be an example of this principal.
NowYou'rePlayingWithPower
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You don't want to do that trade.
What you really want is to trade your Rockerverb 100 for my JVM210.
What you really want is to trade your Rockerverb 100 for my JVM210.
dead-pan
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What year is yours?
nightlight
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There are too many variables to make blanket statements. Did you try it with multiple cabs and speakers? What about IRs, etc? And what pickups and guitars were you using? What settings were you using? Did you have the reverb on? Also, how long did you own one/try one out for?
There used to be plenty of pro artists using the JVM410 or JVM410JS. Satch, Mustaine, Adrian Smith, the list goes on.
braintheory
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Not blanket statements. I played them plenty of times at volume (which in some ways actually made it worse) comparing to other amps as reference points and yes I tried multiple cabs and speakers, which aren’t capable anyway of fixing the issue of an amp inherently sounding synthetic like a recording. Nothing can fix that IME. It’s just the inherent sound. No IR’s and I don’t use reverb or any fx to cloud the tone of gear when I’m trying to understand their sound. It’s a huge problem in gear demos when they drench it in reverb or delay. Plenty of pickup varieties too. I do my homework and only give opinions of gear I properly tried and AB’ed with decent benchmarks. It’s just my findings and opinion. It had the Marshall flavor for sure, which of course I like, but like hearing a synthetic recording of one, sorta like comparing Sunny D to fresh squeezed OJ. I don’t care what artists used what gear (not all of them have great tone anyway). I only care about how it sounds in person when I hear it. I’m not trying to be harsh, just as honest as I can be in my findings. We also all have different taste. I don’t care for synthetic soundings amps like Engl’s or JVM’s, nor plastic-y sounding amps like EVH’s, nor quacky amps like Splawn’s, nor filtered/cardboard-y amps like the UU, Omega’s, Driftwood’s or KSR’s. For high gain I like Wizard’s, early Recto’s, Mark IIC+’s, first version Uber’s, Blueface VH4, Hermansson, Dino, Steavens, Lenz or the right modded Marshall’s. Basically amps that sound more organic/raw with more detail to the notes and more natural feelings. Just my opinion, take it or leave it