Should I Trade a Rockerverb MKIII 50 for a JVM 410?

braintheory said:
Not blanket statements. I played them plenty of times at volume (which in some ways actually made it worse) comparing to other amps as reference points and yes I tried multiple cabs and speakers, which aren’t capable anyway of fixing the issue of an amp inherently sounding synthetic like a recording. Nothing can fix that IME. It’s just the inherent sound. No IR’s and I don’t use reverb or any fx to cloud the tone of gear when I’m trying to understand their sound. It’s a huge problem in gear demos when they drench it in reverb or delay. Plenty of pickup varieties too. I do my homework and only give opinions of gear I properly tried and AB’ed with decent benchmarks. It’s just my findings and opinion. It had the Marshall flavor for sure, which of course I like, but like hearing a synthetic recording of one, sorta like comparing Sunny D to fresh squeezed OJ. I don’t care what artists used what gear (not all of them have great tone anyway). I only care about how it sounds in person when I hear it. I’m not trying to be harsh, just as honest as I can be in my findings. We also all have different taste. I don’t care for synthetic soundings amps like Engl’s or JVM’s, nor plastic-y sounding amps like EVH’s, nor quacky amps like Splawn’s, nor filtered/cardboard-y amps like the UU, Omega’s, Driftwood’s or KSR’s. For high gain I like Wizard’s, early Recto’s, Mark IIC+’s, first version Uber’s, Blueface VH4, Hermansson, Dino, Steavens, Lenz or the right modded Marshall’s. Basically amps that sound more organic/raw with more detail to the notes and more natural feelings. Just my opinion, take it or leave it
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Thanks for sharing your views.

I really don't think Engls sound synthy. Highly compressed sure, but they don't sound synthetic to me.

I also wouldn't call a 5150 plasticky, I would have described it as buzzsaw-like or a can of bees. But definitely not plastic.

So I guess it just goes to show, as someone once told me on TGP, it's hosses (I say hosses) for cosses.
 
nightlight said:
Thanks for sharing your views.

I really don't think Engls sound synthy. Highly compressed sure, but they don't sound synthetic to me.

I also wouldn't call a 5150 plasticky, I would have described it as buzzsaw-like or a can of bees. But definitely not plastic.

So I guess it just goes to show, as someone once told me on TGP, it's hosses (I say hosses) for cosses.
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It can also depend which Engl. None of them to me sound organic, but the Artist Edition was much more in that direction. Definitely very compressed amps like you said. To me, like the JVM’s, they sound like I’m hearing a recording of an amp in person. When my dad heard me play through a Savage (very long time ago now) he said it sounds like a modeler amp and I can’t say I disagree. It felt like one too. These kinds of amps have no receptivity to nuances in expressive playing for me. They just don’t work for many things I like to get out of my gear. I do though like the grind and tightness Engl’s have and the Inferno and ‘80’s Straight were especially good at those qualities I like in Engl’s

The Peavey 5150’s don’t sound plastic-y to me. Just the EVH versions. I get the buzzsaw description some say too, but don’t mind it. It’s more the nasal-y midrange that I don’t care for in them

It is horses for courses, but my opinions haven’t changed when I heard others play through these amps fwiw. Unfortunately many of my favorite metal bands to me didn’t have great tones, but loved their playing and music itself
 
dead-pan said:
What year is yours?
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I have two, my main one is from 2007, that's the one that's seen all the work. I bought another from a friend a few years ago that's a 2012. I've also owned the HJS and had a near fully modded 410 as well. I prefer the stock model.

For me they've sounded good through V30's, Annis 30's, GB's and GT75's. In fact it's the only amp I've ever heard through 75's that I liked. My current cabs are a Bogner OS 2x12 with a V30/Annis and my old Marshall 4x12 that just got reloaded from 75's to a V30/Anni mix.

Been a great amp for me but again, that's just me. I really like the Orange Rockerverb in fact I owned a Mk1 years ago but been so long would be hard to give a comparison. That said I generally like the Orange high gain tone, darker than a Marshall.

Again, perfect world line 'em up and see how they compare "for you". Good luck.
 
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