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[rsm]

If you're going to petition your new country for citizenship you should be required to give up your US citizenship.

To your point, people with US citizenship have all the same rights you and I do, including the right to serve in elected government positions. There's no way you can open up a pandoras box forcing senators or congressmen to recuse themselves from anything involving their motherland. Where would it end ? Many 2nd generation Americans still consider themselves Cuban or Irish or Italian or whatever.

don't have to, and I can keep both; I can also have multiple citizenships. I have zero influence over US policy decisions, unlike those in Congress, the courts or white house.

the way I see it, if I'm on a sinking ship I have three options: try to save it, abandon it or sink with it. just as many of our ancestors did when they left their home countries.

I don't see the US recovering from the current downward, self-destruction, decay and weakness spiral. I expect it to get worse until there's either a civil war, economic collapse or some other calamity. Glubb's essay, "Fate of Empires" is very clear on the rise and fall of empires, their phases, and the point of no return. The US and Western Europe are beyond that point of no return, and are allowing invasions that will destroy what those countries are, forever.

 

[Thumbpicker]

don't have to, and I can keep both; I can also have multiple citizenships. I have zero influence over US policy decisions, unlike those in Congress, the courts or white house.

the way I see it, if I'm on a sinking ship I have three options: try to save it, abandon it or sink with it. just as many of our ancestors did when they left their home countries.

I don't see the US recovering from the current downward, self-destruction, decay and weakness spiral. I expect it to get worse until there's either a civil war, economic collapse or some other calamity. Glubb's essay, "Fate of Empires" is very clear on the rise and fall of empires, their phases, and the point of no return. The US and Western Europe are beyond that point of no return, and are allowing invasions that will destroy what those countries are, forever.

The way I see it it's hard to be loyal to your country when it hasn't been loyal to its own people and culture. Why would you fight for a country like that or even feel proud of it. That's why I don't identify with my own country anymore and identify by my race and culture - because how can identify with my country when it's not the country I was born into. All I can hang onto is what my culture and race was in the past when it wasn't turned into a mixture.

Maybe I'm exaggerating or overstating my feelings about it a little there - but not by much.

 

[rsm]

The way I see it it's hard to be loyal to your country when it hasn't been loyal to its own people and culture. Why would you fight for a country like that or even feel proud of it. That's why I don't identify with my own country anymore and identify by my race and culture - because how can identify with my country when it's not the country I was born into. All I can hang onto is what my culture and race was in the past when it wasn't turned into a mixture.

Maybe I'm exaggerating or overstating my feelings about it a little there - but not by much.

agreed.

when you see the willful destruction of our country by ruling parasites, who expect us to keep quiet and paying for it, you realize it's really futile. I became indifferent many years ago. I post my thoughts about politics, society, etc., here to vent, in the end the destruction of the first world and modern civilization is accelerating in many Western countries (and by western I mean those founded on western civilization principles).

There's a reason why the numbers of young white men enlisting in the military, becoming police officers, going to college, and contributing to society are all down and going down faster each year. Other races in the US are seeing the same with men, especially in the decline in marriage across all races in the US.

At some point these disengaged, disenfranchised young men may get pissed off enough to do something about it. Not all of them are soy boys.

 

[Floyd Eye]

That's all good and fine, but if you don't identify as an American or feel any sense of patriotism AND you wish to expatriate and become a citizen of another country, you should be forced to give one up. I don't think anyone, anywhere should be able to have dual citizenship. Fucking pick one and live with your decision. If it's simply a matter of convenience then why would you fucking care about citizenship ?

 

[Geo]

Funny how denouncing your citizenship used to cost $50, now it costs $5000. Are they worried about something?

 

[Floyd Eye]

Funny how denouncing your citizenship used to cost $50, now it costs $5000. Are they worried about something?

It should be free.

 

[Geo]

It should be free.

If the BORDER CZAR wins the election, I bet it will go way higher.

The USA is the only country that taxes their citizens that work abroad.

So if you are English and work in Dubai, England doesn't tax you, but if you are American.....

 

[rsm]

That's all good and fine, but if you don't identify as an American or feel any sense of patriotism AND you wish to expatriate and become a citizen of another country, you should be forced to give one up. I don't think anyone, anywhere should be able to have dual citizenship. Fucking pick one and live with your decision. If it's simply a matter of convenience then why would you fucking care about citizenship ?

Simple.

I paid into social security and medicare for decades working since I was 15.

If the US eliminated the exit tax, and offered a lump sum based on my actual contributions tax free, I'd take it. Instead the US charges you an exit tax on your wealth and you lose the benefits you paid into your working life if you renounce. That's why 2nd passports not renouncing is a better option for some of us.

 

[Floyd Eye]

Simple.

I paid into social security and medicare for decades working since I was 15.

If the US eliminated the exit tax, and offered a lump sum based on my actual contributions tax free, I'd take it. Instead the US charges you an exit tax on your wealth and you lose the benefits you paid into your working life if you renounce. That's why 2nd passports not renouncing is a better option for some of us.

Makes sense, but I think the government should have to give you your money in a lump sum whenever you ask for it. Medicare and SS is a fucking ponzi scheme and it's complete bullshit you can't opt out of it.

At this point you paid in, regardless of your citizenship status they owe you that fucking money and should have to pay it.

 

[Geo]

You can look at this angle.

The gobernment put us in a huge amount of debt that the next generation is going to have to pickup the check for.

I am surprised that some in the gobernment are actually fighting the wall being built.

 

[Floyd Eye]

You can look at this angle.

The gobernment put us in a huge amount of debt that the next generation is going to have to pickup the check for.

I am surprised that some in the gobernment are actually fighting the wall being built.

No they won't. It will never be paid off. Maybe your great, great, great grandchildren, but by then we won't even be a sovereign nation anymore.

 

[Geo]

No they won't. It will never be paid off. Maybe your great, great, great grandchildren, but by then we won't even be a sovereign nation anymore.

Well, if they actually build a wall to keep the people out, it will also keep people in that may not want to stick around to pay the bill.

 

[rsm]

Funny how denouncing your citizenship used to cost $50, now it costs $5000. Are they worried about something?

it costs more than that now;

The US Exit Tax, or Expatriation Tax, is levied on individuals renouncing their US citizenship or green card. Governed by IRC Section 877A, this tax is specifically designed for high-net-worth individuals. It ensures that their worldwide income and assets are taxed prior to exiting the US tax system.

 

[rsm]

Makes sense, but I think the government should have to give you your money in a lump sum whenever you ask for it. Medicare and SS is a fucking ponzi scheme and it's complete bullshit you can't opt out of it.

At this point you paid in, regardless of your citizenship status they owe you that fucking money and should have to pay it.

asking the government to do what's right is like asking a feminist to refuse privilege; or asking a demoncrat to be logical

 

[rsm]

No they won't. It will never be paid off. Maybe your great, great, great grandchildren, but by then we won't even be a sovereign nation anymore.

yes, the US empire is rotting, decaying and collapsing, though it's worse for the poor bastards in Western Europe.

when you look into second passports, one of the most difficult aspects is how to move your money out of the US safely while minimizing taxes.

when you leave the country, even on vacation, you are required to declare the amount of money you have with you if it is over $10,000 to US Customs. If you carry it as cash, it can be confiscated (airport asset confiscation - it's happening frequently at Atlanta's airport).

If you ask your bank for a wire transfer to a foreign bank, you have to report any amount over $10,000. Wire transfer fees can also be expensive, and any error (eg. a typo) can result in the money being lost for good.

If you have over $10K in foreign banks or other foreign investments, you have to report it to the US government. (it's called FBAR).

The reporting and tax requirements for the US (IRS) are so complex and costly if done wrong by foreign institutions, many will not allow American citizens to open accounts.

Even if you pay taxes on your money, and want to travel with it or invest it in foreign accounts you have to declare it. If you take or move money out of the country over $10K at one time and fail to report it, you will be fined $100K or 50% of the account's maximum value at the time of the violation, whichever amount is higher...so you're looking at a $100K fine minimum.

As long as you're an American citizen, you have to pay US taxes even if your income is earned in a foreign country.

There's a lot more; it's so complex that many people get in trouble making unintentional mistakes; of course our ruling parasites have offshore accounts that are not subject to reporting requirements.

For many it's too costly to renounce and too costly to keep US citizenship; there's really no escape, and if you try they will find you, fine you, confiscate assets, and put you in prison.


Edit, and that's another reason why I plan to keep my US citizenship and add a second passport; it's the least complex way to do it; unless I want to pay another fortune to an expert; getting a second passport isn't cheap either; renouncing isn't cheap; and moving money offshore legally is complex and easily lead to fines, confiscation and prison.

 

[japetus]

No man can serve two gods.

 

[rsm]

No man can serve two gods.

No American man can serve two gods.

most other countries don't tax and fine you to death when you change gods, or countries. The US does. And it's a main reason why additional passports make more sense than renouncing.

It's cheaper and easier to keep US citizenship, keep financial assets in the US, pay US taxes; than try to deal with having foreign assets. The second passport countries I'm considering don't tax my income in the US; some do, and you will have to pay taxes in both countries.

If I get a second passport, I'll keep my money and pay taxes in the US; if I can find a bank in that second passport country willing to open an account for an American, I will move some money there to have local cash. I'll treat it like an extended vacation; have a secure VPN to access my financial accounts in the US, to pay bills, and move money around in the US accounts; and use credit cards while in the other country, including cash advances.

 

[japetus]

No American man can serve two gods.

most other countries don't tax and fine you to death when you change gods, or countries. The US does. And it's a main reason why additional passports make more sense than renouncing.

It's cheaper and easier to keep US citizenship, keep financial assets in the US, pay US taxes; than try to deal with having foreign assets. The second passport countries I'm considering don't tax my income in the US; some do, and you will have to pay taxes in both countries.

If I get a second passport, I'll keep my money and pay taxes in the US; if I can find a bank in that second passport country willing to open an account for an American, I will move some money there to have local cash. I'll treat it like an extended vacation; have a secure VPN to access my financial accounts in the US, to pay bills, and move money around in the US accounts; and use credit cards while in the other country, including cash advances.

I am an American man.

 

[rsm]

I am an American man.

that'll cost you.

 

[japetus]

that'll cost you.