18 watt 2204 project

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Hi All,

I am currently building an amp with a 2 x EL84 fixed-bias output section and a 2204 (JCM 800) preamp. The OT is a Hammond 1650E - much beefier than most typical 18-watt offerings. The PT was supplied by Randy Fay (Phaez Amps).

Here are some photos of the amp as it stands. Actually it changed within 5 minutes of this photo being taken. The Presence control is out and has been replaced by another pot (to be wired up tomorrow).

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Some miscellaneous notes:

- this amp is very quiet. I added an extra stage of filtering before power is delivered to the output tubes, so there is no power supply hum. The heaters are run with elevated DC (the orange wire in the photo, which carries ~70Vdc to the heater wires). End result: there is no heater hum.

- the long 10-watt resistor that is vertically oriented in the photo is in series with the output of the solid-state rectifier. Its a trick to add a bit of sag to this rectifier. The internal resistance of a tube rectifier is what makes it different from a diode rectifier, btw.

- The other long 10-watt resistor sits between the first two filter stages. Originally I had a 470R there, but it got toasty warm. Heat is the enemy of all electronic parts, and so I dropped the resistance to 100R. Now it runs much cooler. Fortunately the value of this resistor doesn't matter much.

- the dual-gang pot is a bootstrapped MV. It works well. But...

- In place of the Presence control, I will install a La/Mar PPIMV, at least temporarily. This will allow me to compare MVs in the same amp, but that is just a bonus. There is another reason I want to try adding the Lar/Mar in this prototype. I'll report on that later (at least if I find anything interesting).

- there is a lot of gain on tap. And on top of that, this thing is loud. For the Phaez fans out there, this thing runs on "Randy watts" - at the very least it runs with Randy's custom SIBLY power transformer. Good for 360VDC, which is more than enough for EL84s (the techs will agree with that statement).

- It's challenging to get a higher-gain EL84 amp sounding good, which is one reason they are rare.

- and on that note, I still need to fine tune the circuit.

- Randy Fay (Phaez Amps) provided the PT along with the initial schematic for this 18-watt variant. Randy has also answered several questions by email. And I bug Kevin O'Connor all of the time, and he is always quick to respond. Cheers to Randy and Kevin!
 
Nice man :rock: :rock:
Would love to do an 18w build..
Got any clips?
 
No clips yet. There is some work yet to be done to get the circuit just right.
 
IndyWS6":3dw0zr5u said:
I can haz when finished?

:D


Ha! Thanks for the vote of confidence! But let's not get ahead of ourselves :)

I do want to report that the amp now has a Lar/Mar in addition to a bootstrapped MV - the two best MVs out there in one amp! And my initial impression is positive.

The Lar/Mar wiring is temporary, and I have yet to add the safety Rs - if it remains in the amp, I'll use shielded wiring. Despite the lack of shielding, there is no noise thanks for the twisted pairs (note: these weren't twisted the way that is shown in the Lar/Mar instructions).


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Looks great man. I'd love to be able to get real cranked 800 tone from only 18 watts. I'll bet it's gonna sound great!
 
Bloodrock":cb5dag0e said:
Looks great man. I'd love to be able to get real cranked 800 tone from only 18 watts. I'll bet it's gonna sound great!

Thanks. I re-designed the output section today, and it is starting to sound killer. I need to let my ears rest now...
 
Another update with misc. thoughts:

- I've done some more work on the amp to make those angry EL84s sound good. There is always work to be done, but right now I am most pleased with the tone of this amp.

- now that I have two MVs - an LP-MV* and a modified Lar-Mar - in this amp, I can report on my own impressions. In general, both are excellent and give you what you'd expect. When dialling back just one of the MVs (with the other at full volume), you can get more overdrive (by dialling back the Lar/Mar) or less overdrive (by dialling back the LP-MV). This difference happens because the PI adds to the overdrive/distortion when pushed hard, and this happens when you keep the LP-MV up high and then control the overall volume with the Lar-Mar (or any other PPIMV).

- So which MV is best? the answer really doesn't seem to depend on sound quality, because they both enable terrific tones at lower volumes (although I think my instantiation of the Lar/Mar and probably others affect tone more than the LP-MV). It really comes down to whether you want cleaner or meaner sounds at lower volumes.

Fortunately, both sounds (and a continuum of in-between sounds) are possible with this dual-stage master setup.


*LP-MV = dual-gang bootstrapped MV, as shown in Kevin O'Connor's TUT4 and available on London Power website.

Here's another shot of the amp. This chassis has been used for a good deal of prototyping, but a nice gold faceplate will cover up the extra holes... :)

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charveldan":2oakw1qm said:
a 2204 is fitty wats ... :doh:

In my first post that I stated that I am building an EL84 amp with a 2204 preamp. I'm happy to try to clarify if needed.
 
V2a":kwtebkzk said:
charveldan":kwtebkzk said:
a 2204 is fitty wats ... :doh:

In my first post that I stated that I am building an EL84 amp with a 2204 preamp. I'm happy to try to clarify if needed.
Oh I get it, sorry.

My buddy still has his first amp from the 60's, it's a Gibson Discoverer it's like 12 or 18 watts and loud as a 50 watt FWIW.
 
charveldan":2h0qrsux said:
V2a":2h0qrsux said:
charveldan":2h0qrsux said:
a 2204 is fitty wats ... :doh:

In my first post that I stated that I am building an EL84 amp with a 2204 preamp. I'm happy to try to clarify if needed.
Oh I get it, sorry.

My buddy still has his first amp from the 60's, it's a Gibson Discoverer it's like 12 or 18 watts and loud as a 50 watt FWIW.
:thumbsup:
 
charveldan":tqu9byo8 said:
V2a":tqu9byo8 said:
charveldan":tqu9byo8 said:
a 2204 is fitty wats ... :doh:

In my first post that I stated that I am building an EL84 amp with a 2204 preamp. I'm happy to try to clarify if needed.
Oh I get it, sorry.

My buddy still has his first amp from the 60's, it's a Gibson Discoverer it's like 12 or 18 watts and loud as a 50 watt FWIW.

No problem. I understand that my subject line is eye catching (and perhaps a little misleading). This amp will not be a 2204 replica/clone, and it will likely sound considerably different than a 2204 when compared head-to-head. But a higher-gain 18-watt amp is kinda desirable, and I can tell you that right now this thing sounds amazing.
 
While I let me ears rest, I am working on the design of the faceplate. Eventually this will have black etching on brushed gold plastic.

I going to keep both master volumes, one is labeled drive and one labeled master.

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Oops, I forgot about this thread. Here are a few updates to show the progress.

The preamp design went through various stages (pun intended). Eventually I settled on a hot-rodded design with considerably more gain than a stock JCM 800.

faceplate design:
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chassis loaded (temporarily) into a M-style head cab (with one of my Phaez badges; cab earmarked for a different amp):
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sound clip, taken when I was fine tuning the amp. A lot changed after these clips were recorded:
https://soundcloud.com/v2-jmcd/jjm18-be-clip-1-1
 
Here is a photo after some minor tweaking. Can you spot any difference?


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