1x12 setup with Herbert & non-v30 setup with 4x12, 2x12

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I have Uber, XTC probably soon, VH4 will most likely be next, but 90% of what I use is Herbert, so matching it is all I care about. Cabs need to be sounding good & smooth in front of the speakers! I'm recording a lot.

1. I don't dig V30 in my Bogner Cube, it's OK, but something ain't right. What should I try to switch it with?

2. I have a Bogner OS 2x12 with V30s & it stays that way. It's a GREAT match with all of my amps.

3. I'm thinking of getting Bogner 4x12 soon & selling my Mesa 4x12. Should I get one with 4xv30s or ubercab X setup with 75s & 30s or something else?

4. I want to get Diezel 2x12 too later, non V30. What speakers would you recommend? Has anyone tried EVM12Ls in 2x12 & with Herbert.

 

[White_Van]

For 1. Try a Celestion Alnico Gold. A truly amazing speaker.

 

[ajharris1215]

I have Uber, XTC probably soon, VH4 will most likely be next, but 90% of what I use is Herbert, so matching it is all I care about. Cabs need to be sounding good & smooth in front of the speakers! I'm recording a lot.

1. I don't dig V30 in my Bogner Cube, it's OK, but something ain't right. What should I try to switch it with?

2. I have a Bogner OS 2x12 with V30s & it stays that way. It's a GREAT match with all of my amps.

3. I'm thinking of getting Bogner 4x12 soon & selling my Mesa 4x12. Should I get one with 4xv30s or ubercab X setup with 75s & 30s or something else?

4. I want to get Diezel 2x12 too later, non V30. What speakers would you recommend? Has anyone tried EVM12Ls in 2x12 & with Herbert.

for 1, celestion g12H-30, or gk100 maybe...

for 2, i like the v30/g12h-30 combo much better than the v30/75s. i think it sounds much more rich and full. but the uber configuration definately sounds good with the saturated tone of the uberschall amp. its up to you...

i recently tried 4 gk100s in my orange cab... very impressed. super clear while producing a very accurate reproduction of the actual amp tone. they don't color the sound like many other speakers do. i'll probably experiment with them in other cabs combined with other speakers, but they're some of the coolest celestions i've ever heard...

 

[nbarts]

For 1. Try a Celestion Alnico Gold. A truly amazing speaker.

Thanks. How would you describe the sound? Maybe compare to V30...

 

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ajharris1215,

What is the top end like on gk100?

g12H-30 - do you like them miked together with v30s? or by themselves? both? for clean work or dirty? In what situations you choose them over v30s?

 

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Just went through Celestion website.

Judging from their clips ...

75 - had too much top.

Blue - could be nice for clean work & blues, but I wonder how would Weber speakers compare to these & Golds

Lead - sounded nice & full compared to others

g12H - again sounded pretty nice

 

[ajharris1215]

ajharris1215,

What is the top end like on gk100?

g12H-30 - do you like them miked together with v30s? or by themselves? both? for clean work or dirty? In what situations you choose them over v30s?

here is a very useful link i got from forum member "neuro" that accurately compares different types of popular celestion speakers. check it out (scroll down to the bogner shiva comparisons http://www.bobsavage.net/bogner/bogner.htm


gk100:
top end is not harsh in any way. it sounds "rounded" and balanced with mids and lows... these gk100s, probably because their wattage is so high, seem to reproduce the sound of the amp very clearly without adding any of their own "color" or break-up. i wouldn't call them dark, and i wouldn't call them bright - its almost like they're neutral. the true sound of your amp will be what you hear. whatever the highs sound like on your amp is what the speakers will produce.

g12h-30:
i'd choose them over vintage 30s in almost any situation. i think they just sound better. they sound great by themselves, but i like them in combination with 30s most of all, double miked.

to my ears, v30s have a harshness on the upper mids and top end that doesn't sound so great, but i like their lows and lower mids. they have that cool dark tone. g12h-30s just have an overall nice clear sound with a sweet round upper mid and top end that compliments what the 30s lack.

you can roll back the upper mids and highs on your amp which dials the harshness out of the 30s while the g12h30s pick up the slack. i've used it for recording (double miked - one on each speaker) and its a great combination that mixes really well...

dude, if i were you, i'd go with the gk100s for your herbert. its a great speaker and isn't that what diezel is recommending these days anyway. i'd maybe try the v30/g12h30 combo in a bogner 4x12. i own 2 bogner 4x12s with that speaker combo and they sound fantastic. i usually run them in a full stack with my Ecstacy 101B. but again, i have to say the ubercab (v30/75) sounds good with the uberschall.

i'm gonna try my gk100s in combination with other speakers, just to see what results i can yield. i'll try v30s and g12h30s. its hard to say whether it will be good or bad without hearing it...

hope i helped!

 

[Jaymz82]

Since Saturday I've got my now Diezel 4x12 frontloaded cab. I first wanted a fully G12K100 equipped cab, but unfortunately Peter S. had only two of those speakers in stock. So intended as a temporary solution at first, we combined those two with 2 Vintage 30. We did all kind of switching, hearing only one side / speakers, a fully V30 equipped FL cab and a V30 RL cab. The FL with G12K100 and V30 blew away every single cab imo. Both speaker compliment each other very well and the result is a huge and powerful sound, which is a lot more natural and with nicer highs than the very midrangy V30F.

 

[Fend]

ajharris1215 : Very interesting !

I heard the G12H30 are compromise between G12M (the Greenbacks) and V30. Do you agree that ?
Maybe it's the good speaker for me !
I love Greenbacks, they're great with my Engl but they're not made for my VH-4 because they sounds to "full" in lower mids with it... I agree you when you say "v30s have a harshness on the upper mids and top end that doesn't sound so great". And I found the V30 very difficult to record !

Any other suggestions ?

 

[ajharris1215]

ajharris1215 : Very interesting !

I heard the G12H30 are compromise between G12M (the Greenbacks) and V30. Do you agree that ?

I see why some people would say this. I think the g12h30 produces a vibe of its own.

Maybe it's the good speaker for me !
I love Greenbacks, they're great with my Engl but they're not made for my VH-4 because they sounds to "full" in lower mids with it... I agree you when you say "v30s have a harshness on the upper mids and top end that doesn't sound so great". And I found the V30 very difficult to record !

Any other suggestions ?

i have always recorded guitar with 2 mics. this produces a stereo signal, which is what everything should be recorded with anyway because that's the way our ears and brains process sound: in stereo.

with 2 different speakers/mics/etc., you get very different sounding channels in the mix. its the blending of these channels that produces a good sound. in fact, most recordings you hear nowadays are not only stereo miked, but also double tracked to expand the 3D stereo effect even more. it just sounds more human... when stereo miking with v30s and g12h30s, the channels blend very well, resulting in a high quality natural guitar sound.

here is a very useful link i got from forum member "neuro" that accurately compares different types of popular celestion speakers. check it out (scroll down to the bogner shiva comparisons http://www.bobsavage.net/bogner/bogner.htm

also, thanks "Jaymz82" for the cool info on gk100s and v30s in combination. i'll definately be trying it myself.

 

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ajharris1215,

Thanks mang! Some good info you've got there.

I'm definitely going to try gk100 in my Cube.

Will probably do Ubercab setup for the 4x12 & 2 gk100 for the 2x12.

Will probably add an Avatar 2x12 with EVMs at some point too. EVM sounded awesome in the room, probably best I've ever heard, it's rated 200wt & like you've said with gk100 doesn't color the sound much. However in 1x12 setup it was harsh on top & mesa cab was adding harshness too. I believe it should sound great in an OS 2x12.

I agree with harshness of V30s, however they cut through the mix great for all the chuga-chaga stuff. Damn, I need to get an MD421 too .

Anyway, looks like 101B will be here soon, I'm trilled to own 2 dream Bogner heads I would never think I'd ever have opportunity to play through.

 

[Bato]

The G12H30 50Hz is an amazing speaker. But it fits only Marshall/like Amps. I heard them once with a Rectifier. They sound terrible. But for a Marshall it´s the one of best Speaker you can get.

 

[Fend]

Thanks everybody !

Very interesting link ajharris1215, thank you !!