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Axe-Man
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the crush 36":10yhml6g said:
Doesn't the RP1000 have a stomp loop as well as an FX loop? Could you run the Alesis through the stomp loop? If this works you can also easily switch it in and out of the chain.
Otherwise just run the FX send from the RP to FX return of the Randall but instead of just plugging it in the Randall run it into the Alesis first. Saves another lot of cables on the floor as well.
glpg80
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wow, no wonder you are asking the question.
page 7 of the rear panel:
ftp://ftp.digitech.com/pub/PDFs/Manuals ... 0597-A.pdf
IMHO i prefer delay's after reverb, as i do not want my guitar sound to be swamped by a bunch of reverb. i want my guitar tone to be thickened by a touch of reverb and the delay stay prominent. this is a series setup which i am discussing and is recommended normally.
i would run it this way:
guitar into RP guitar input > left output (mono) into front of amplifier. it is labeled incorrectly in the instruction manual as to amp effects return. this is wrong, do not do it this way if you plan to use the amplifier as a preamp. make sure to disable any amplifier sims or preamp sims inside the RP.
from the amplifier effects send > midiverb mono input > midiverb output > digitech RP amp loop return > amp loop send > effects loop of amplifier return.
make sure the ground lift button is pushed in.
this is assuming you would use the midiverb for reverb and the digitech for delays in the effects loop.
all done
welcome aboard
page 7 of the rear panel:
ftp://ftp.digitech.com/pub/PDFs/Manuals ... 0597-A.pdf
IMHO i prefer delay's after reverb, as i do not want my guitar sound to be swamped by a bunch of reverb. i want my guitar tone to be thickened by a touch of reverb and the delay stay prominent. this is a series setup which i am discussing and is recommended normally.
i would run it this way:
guitar into RP guitar input > left output (mono) into front of amplifier. it is labeled incorrectly in the instruction manual as to amp effects return. this is wrong, do not do it this way if you plan to use the amplifier as a preamp. make sure to disable any amplifier sims or preamp sims inside the RP.
from the amplifier effects send > midiverb mono input > midiverb output > digitech RP amp loop return > amp loop send > effects loop of amplifier return.
make sure the ground lift button is pushed in.
this is assuming you would use the midiverb for reverb and the digitech for delays in the effects loop.
all done
welcome aboard
fek
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glpg80":17qd6y8p said:
I use a RM100 with a RP1000 in the 4CM and do it the way it says and it seems to work great. Are you telling me that I am doing it wrong?
glpg80
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fek":1xx56kmg said:
i dont own the unit so im just going by the user manual.
have you tried the way i mentioned to see if it works any better?
it seems like the way they have it mentioned they want you to use the RP as a preamp into the power amplifier section of the amplifier.
it seems most logical using the 4CM and the preamp of the amplifier with how i worded it.
try it and report back?
it didnt seem right to put the guitar into the input of the unit and then send the signal to the amplifier from the effects return jack of the onboard effects loop of the RP - it seemed more logical to send the front signal from the left mono output to the amplifier.
fek
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glpg80":21ikec2c said:fek":21ikec2c said:
i dont own the unit so im just going by the user manual.
have you tried the way i mentioned to see if it works any better?
it seems like the way they have it mentioned they want you to use the RP as a preamp into the power amplifier section of the amplifier.
it seems most logical using the 4CM and the preamp of the amplifier with how i worded it.
try it and report back?
it didnt seem right to put the guitar into the input of the unit and then send the signal to the amplifier from the effects return jack of the onboard effects loop of the RP - it seemed more logical to send the front signal from the left mono output to the amplifier.
On the back of the unit the labels tell you to run it the same way as the manual. In a nutshell, it allows the RP to bypass the amp models and use your own amps preamp with the time based effects running in the loop while keeping the OD/Dist boxes out in front of your amps preamp.
I will try it your way tomorrow but it has worked great for me the way it is. I often have 3 gainy modules in my RM100 and then have a patch set up for a modeled clean tone that only used my RM's power section. Keeping the levels in line is tricky though.
glpg80
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you are using a patch inside the RP to model a clean tone, using the RP as a preamp source and sending this to the power amp side of your amplifier which is the reason it works great for you i believe. but the OP didnt mention the need for modeling anything as a source for any tones, simply 4CM is all he is looking for. no preamp functions.
with the way i mentioned it - no preamp signaling whatsoever should come from the RP and effects only should be applied to the amplifier's clean/lead before the power amplifier section of the amplifier and only pedal based effects out front.
i suppose either way would work great - all depends on the function.
i would still recommend wiring it the way i mentioned to the OP though - just as long as there is a method to disable preamp sims and amplifier sims inside the unit or simply turn them off.
with the way i mentioned it - no preamp signaling whatsoever should come from the RP and effects only should be applied to the amplifier's clean/lead before the power amplifier section of the amplifier and only pedal based effects out front.
i suppose either way would work great - all depends on the function.
i would still recommend wiring it the way i mentioned to the OP though - just as long as there is a method to disable preamp sims and amplifier sims inside the unit or simply turn them off.