50 or 100W Einstein??

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Hi.
I'm going to buy Einstein and i don't know wich of the 50/100 watt.
I heared that 50W is very loud but i don' know if it will be enough. On the other hand maybe the 100W version is too much. :)
So please help me to decide.

For komparison i have 100W marshall JCM900 high gain dual reverb with 2x12 box and i use it with volume on half. When i play a concert i have it a little bit higher. So i think that the marshall is maybe too much.

Thanx.
 
The 100s sounds a bit fuller due to its bigger output transformer. That's nuances though - and volume-wise the difference is almost inaudible, both can be loud as hell.
 
yes... this is a taste-of-sound question and not a question of volume.
 
hmmm, Interesting...... so there's no real dif. between a 50 watter and 100 watter in volume?


then what kind of "advantages" have the 50 watter over the 100? (earlier powertube saturation?)
 
Joey,
I have had the opportunity to run my 50 watt Einstein combo hooked up to a Diezel 2x12 for a three speaker setup and to run the combo by itself loud.
I was not getting any power tube saturation. The global volumes were up about half way and the channel volumes were up about half way as well and the amp got so loud that I could not stand the volume to be any louder. The guitar was beginning to feed back uncontrollably by itself.

If anyone needs more volume then that, they should go with a 4x12 stack and a 50 watt head. I don't see how playing louder then that would be possible in a club if the other instruments are that loud as well. For me it would be intolerable.

I had a Marshall JCM900 100 watt head and Marshall V-30 cab and I feel that the Diezel 50 Einstein can easily keep the Marshall in line. It should all come down to the choice of speakers. Higher wattage rated speakers, such as EV-12L's should not break up as fast, but the amp will feel stiffer and cleaner as a result from my experiences. A 4x12, or two with G12-H's and Classic Lead 80's would be my choice. The amp would feel more organic playing with these speakers to my ears.

Also, I would use beam blockers of some type for better speaker dispersion and less harsh treble coming from the cones.

These are just my finding from past experience. Others may naturally disagree depending on their own experiences.
Stephen
 
thanks Stephen, :thumbsup: but my question remains..... what are the advantages of 50 over 100 or vice versa ?
 
50 Watts: less costs when you change tubes :D
100 Watts: bigger OT --> "bigger" sound - as I've said: nuances
 
An advantage having the 100W is that you could mix different power tubes, 2 EL34 and 2 6L6, since bias points are separated, for some in-between results....I guess so, since I have the 50W version!!
 
If the amp has no power reduction switches for say, half power, or pentode/triode, or both types, I prefer the 50 watter as you can drive it harder to get the tubes working more.
Unless you are playing such incredibly loud work most of the time that you need 100 watts then, why?
Jeff Beck used 50 watters and a 1/2 stack, and Duane Allman used 50 watters and a full stack, and they sounded great.
I realize that these are but two examples, but I have owned the VH4, Herbert (and don't regret owning either amp for even a second) and many other 100+ watt amps and never needed all that power. I feel now, looking back, that I would have sounded better using lower wattage amps.

I did this to my VH4, using lower wattage power tubes and I felt that I could open up the amp more this way and get more tone out of it for my type of playing.

I understand that it's just my opinion, and that others will find a contrary view.
It's all good.
 
C-4":27vxacij said:
If the amp has no power reduction switches for say, half power, or pentode/triode, or both types, I prefer the 50 watter as you can drive it harder to get the tubes working faster.
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I'm with you C-4. It like driving a 400-HP engine at 35 MPH. It runs good and has a lot of power on tap. But when you get that baby up into it's power band, that's where the magic happens.
 
^But it's not like that with 50W and 100W amps :) Based on my humble experience with Einies I will get the 100W :)
 
I have no experience w/ the 50W, but my 100W sounds REALLY good at low volumes...Sometimes its hard to tell a difference tone-wise than when I have the amp turned up.

There are certainly advantages/disadvantages for both ways, but I don't know if "fullness" is really an issue to be considered above "tube saturation." Its hard to judge IMO...I just know I'm satisfied playing my 100W Eini in church, clubs, anywhere...and usually at any volume.

:)
 
w/100 watt Marshalls the bottom end is bigger, wider, fuller... otherwise the same tone as a 50 watter.
 
A 50 watt amp is not half as loud as a 100 watt amp. Referring to the Einstein, I personally have preferred the 100 over the 50. I own the 100 watt head. I find the 100 has more headroom and sounds a bit thicker and fuller if that makes sense.
 
Duolos":2g7bwohf said:
A 50 watt amp is not half as loud as a 100 watt amp. Referring to the Einstein, I personally have preferred the 100 over the 50. I own the 100 watt head. I find the 100 has more headroom and sounds a bit thicker and fuller if that makes sense.
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A bit thicker? Interesting.
 
Random Hero":3faa6ne8 said:
Duolos":3faa6ne8 said:
A 50 watt amp is not half as loud as a 100 watt amp. Referring to the Einstein, I personally have preferred the 100 over the 50. I own the 100 watt head. I find the 100 has more headroom and sounds a bit thicker and fuller if that makes sense.
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A bit thicker? Interesting.
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more tubes , bigger bottom.
 
Ampaddict":12k639n2 said:
Random Hero":12k639n2 said:
Duolos":12k639n2 said:
A 50 watt amp is not half as loud as a 100 watt amp. Referring to the Einstein, I personally have preferred the 100 over the 50. I own the 100 watt head. I find the 100 has more headroom and sounds a bit thicker and fuller if that makes sense.
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A bit thicker? Interesting.
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more tubes , bigger bottom.
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Agreed!
 
Bigger bottom is a bit different to thicker though, amirite?
 
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