? 50W head - Einstein?

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hello this is my first post in here.
i'm planning to buy a different amp because i changed kind of music style. i was 100% into alternative rock before and i use to play my marshall ds401 40W tube combo amp. now that i play both rock and more metal, i have to use my multieffect pedal board that gives me the right distortion ...but I feel it is a cheap and poor quality way of playing.

so i have to get a max 50W tube amp ( not more than 50W because i mainly paly at home-low volume level and i cannot push a 100W beast ), i like so much the Herbert tone, but it is too loud for my needs.

i like the Einstein 50W head and maybe i found an used one. ihope to get one....

i listened some youtube videos and it 's got a good amount of distortion that i need.
i want to play Metallica ( Master of Puppets - Ride The Lightning - And Justice For All ) stye of songs so i need a kind of amp with that amount of distortion.

diezel seem can satisfy my desires.

do you suggest me the Einstein 50w head for the style i'm searching to achieve?
i repeat, i like more the Herbert sound but its power and price is too much for me.
 
Herbert sounds so good at lower volumes that it's hard to believe.
 
You can't really get a 50w tube amp cooking at bedroom levels either.

I suppose that you could get a 50w Einstein and hook it up to a 1x12 cab and don't crank it too hard. It's got plenty of gain, easily enough for early Metallica which doesn't have quite as much gain in the tone as you might think.
 
yes but with a 2x12 cab.
i'll play 90% at home and 10% on rehearsal, pickng the head with me.
of course i cannot crank a 50W at home, but 180W is worse too.
either a 30 W cranked is too much for home playing.
 
I assure you that you can play Herbert at home with no problem, I'm also confident that Einstein will make you happy too. FWIW IMO Einstein does sound more like Metallica tone than Herbert, Herbert has a fresh tone.
 
Yes, You can switch the two channels and the master volumes.
 
Reverb only on the Combo
 

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Hi diezel&gas,

note: to get twice as loud, you need the 10th of power. Seriously. So it doesn´t really matter if you´re playing a 50 or 100 watt model. The 100 watt model gives you more headroom. I think, the 50w amp won´t get saturated by playing at home or on rehearsal ;)
Einstein and Herbert sounds good at low volume settings either.
The VH4 has to be cranked up. The more, the better.

Cheers
Markus
 
yes i know difference between a 50 and a 100W amp is about just 3db. as i know the most W there are the most clearer the sound and it will sound good at high volumes too.
but this is theory. all the people say 100W is too much and say you are mad, buying a 100W head for home palying :D

althoug a friend of mine bought a vh4 and he use it at home most of the time, he told me it is not playable at home...it is too loud.

so if you have to chose a head,i guess it is better to chose a lessy Watts type, if you know you'll play at home.
in my case what would you buy? herbert apart that i cannot afford; for home playing --> Einstein 50 or Einstein 100 W head?
 
Hi,

IMO take the 100W. To reduce the power to 50W, pull one pair of the EL34-Tubes (the inner or the outer). After pulling a pair of tubes, make sure that a 8Ohm Cab is connected to the 4Ohm jack (or 8Ohm to the 16Ohm Jack). Otherwise you will damage the amp.
But the best you can do, if possible, test the Amp. Maybe there´s someone living next to you, providing an opportunity to hear a Diezel. You may make an appeal at this board.

Cheers
Markus
 
unfortunately Diezel amps are not common in here so i cannot hear one -live-
in shops dealers are not that disposable to power on a 100W...they just shows and make try combos... not 100W expensive amps like mesa boogie and so on.

wow i'm listening the audioclips from the diezel site... how i like the HErbert :cry: :thumbsup: :rock:
if i could get a Ex demo....
there are so few Diezel amps here in Italy...used are 2 or 3.....

there is a herbert for sale, i contacted the seller.... let's wait and see...
then a used 50W Einstein head tubed with 6L6 Groove tubes
 
Yeah that's an old misconception that the early Metallica stuff has a ton of gain on it - it doesn't. What gain it does have is really focused and tight though, it's the old Mesa Mark IIC+ sound. If that's the sole tone you're after, you'd probably get closer with a Mesa Mark IV than with a Diezel honestly.
 
yes yes true, but i like the distortion sound of Diezel amps, then they sound good for Metallica' tone too. i like both early metallica sound and new. kill em all is a no gain at all album....and sincerely i don't like the tone of the amps.i really like the following albums, as MOP RTL and AJFA.

mark IV are so rare and expensive, i prefer to get a modern amp..nowadays vintage kind of amps are too expensive.
 
I use the Einstein 50W 1x12 combo at home and it sounds excellent at nearly any volume. When turned up it doesn't sound significantly better, just louder. The Einstein has way excessive gain on tap anyway so it's not about the amount of gain at all. It's not as tight as the Herbert and the 100W Einstein would probably be a bit tighter sounding than the 50 watter.
 
get the 50w einstein head and the diezel 2x12 cab - thats what i have and its incredible .
you can get all of those metallica tones ( or very close ) from it and a lot more .
its also the best sounding amp ive ever heard at low volumes , but of course it does really come to life when cranked like all tube amps .
:rawk:
 
thanx guys ;)
i have time to ponder a little more now.. but i'm sure i want an Herbert so much :)
 
diezel&gas":5b836 said:
yes yes true, but i like the distortion sound of Diezel amps, then they sound good for Metallica' tone too. i like both early metallica sound and new. kill em all is a no gain at all album....and sincerely i don't like the tone of the amps.i really like the following albums, as MOP RTL and AJFA.

mark IV are so rare and expensive, i prefer to get a modern amp..nowadays vintage kind of amps are too expensive.
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Vintage amps are expensive because they're worth every penny. Plug into an old plexi and crank it and see what happens.

If you can play the Einstein will cover everything you need it to (hell, your Marshall 401 DSL will do that as well. I know I have one) but as someone already pointed out, if you want Metallica then you should go with Mesa. Again, there's nothing you can't do with the Einstein and to me it's one of the best amps I've ever played. I know that Mesas are very expensive in Europe so go with the Diezel Einstein. The other important factor is the Master volume on the Einstein which is incredible. Einstein and Modena 60/90s have the best Masters and sound the best at low volumes. You're not finding anything that compares at low volumes to these amps.

By the way even a 10 watt amp would be too much for home playing so it doesn't matter if it's 10, 20, 30, 50 or 100 watts. You're not cranking a 10 watt amp at home for more than 20 min anyway.

The new Power Scaling option from London Power is the way to go for low volumes though. I use it with my Badger 18 and it kicks ass. You can do it to most amps and it takes minutes.
 
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