A calm, clear, scientific based discussion about HCQ/Covid.

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Italian hospital controlled study showed 66% reduction in death rates when HCQ used...............................published 7/29/20
A total of 539 COVID-19 hospitalised patients were included in our cohort in Milan, from February 24 to May 17,2020 of whom 174 died in hospital (day 14 probability of death: 29.5%–95%CI: 25.5–34.0). We divided a subset of our cohort in three groups who started treatment a median of 1 day after admission: those receiving hydroxycholoroquine alone (N = 197), those receiving hydroxycholoroquine + azithromycin (N = 94), and those receiving neither (controls) (N = 92). Of the latter group, 10 started HIV antivirals (boosted-lopinavir or –darunavir), 1 teicoplanin, 12 immunomodulatory drugs or corticosteroids, 23 heparin and 46 remained untreated. The percent of death in the 3 groups was 27%, 23% and 51%. Mechanical ventilation was used in 4.3% of hydoxychloroquine, 14.2% of hydroxycholoroquine + azithromycin and 26.1% of controls. Unweighted and weighted relative hazards of mortality are shown in Table 1. After adjusting for a number of key confounders (see table), the use of hydroxycholoroquine + azithromycin was associated with a 66% reduction in risk of death as compared to controls; the analysis also suggested a larger effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine in patients with less severe COVID-19 disease (PO2/FiO2 > 300, interaction p-value<.0001). Our results are remarkably similar to those shown by Arshad et al.

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30600-7/fulltext

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30600-7/fulltext

When I clicked the link to this article it goes to the site but says article does not exist but if you notice the last digits of the link are in black not all in blue as it should be. So this is very suspect to say the least. You need to enter the entire link to see the article. I redid the link again and it still posted incomplete.

The first 30 minutes of this interview is with Harvey Risch Yale University epidemiologist and worth your time to watch in it's entirety.

 
Thanks for the info and link...good channel. FDA, everyone needs to be investigated.
 
If you don't think there are shenanigans going on here, look at the link to the italian study I posted. The last 16 digits keeps posting incomplete in black and won't take you to the existing article. I highlighted the entire link both times and it still won't post correctly to take you to the study's link. When I look the study up directly the article will open where I cut and pasted the result/conclusion paragraph.

So highlight the entire link if you want to read the entire study.
 
No, I highlighted everything correctly just like every other link I have ever posted for years.

Thanks for fixing the link, it's a good clinical scientific study for you to read.

With all the heavy handed censorship being enacted on any and all free-thinking information regarding this topic is just a figment of our imaginations.
 
Goat":2kw3pssk said:
It's interesting that HCQ has been available as an over-the-counter product in Italy for decades... yet, in January of 2020 it was suddenly removed. Gee, I wonder why? :scared:

It was over the counter in France as well.... As soon as this Pandemic got started it was removed from the shelves and all the past French studies showing HCQ on SAR1/Coronovirus's efficacy that were previously accepted as settled science have now been denounced. I posted the CDC FAQ on chloroquine for malaria and not one mention of heart arrhythmia in the concerns table. Dr. Risch says there are more deaths from toxic liver damage from tylenol over use.

If you watched the 30 minute interview with Harvey Risch he explains the one a only study being used to block this medication is from patients who had been using HCQ long term before developing issues. Anywhere from a 60-90% reduction in deaths would follow if they just used this drug right now, but it would take their pandemic away.

India has a very low morbidity rate when compared to the USA per capita in population and they are using it for propylaxis and treatment. The numbers don't lie. India population 1.38 billion people.
US population 331 million people, Below is with the most current data posted as of 8/4/2020. One country using HCQ extensively one country not using HCQ, what does the data tell you??????????????????

India population: 1.38 Billion
Coronavirus Cases:
1,906,520
Deaths:
39,820
Recovered:
1,280,667

USA: population 331 Million
Coronavirus Cases:
4,800,000
Deaths:
158,000
Recovered:
2,300,000
 
This analysis has been backed up by many renowned virologists worldwide. I have not heard one analysis or report of the genomic structure of the virus from our own CDC, they have had 6 months now to draw a conclusion, yet just crickets.

An excerpt from the January 2019 IIT study.

Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag

Abstract
We are currently witnessing a major epidemic caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). The evolution of 2019-nCoV remains elusive. We found 4 insertions in the spike glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses. Importantly, amino acid residues in all the 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV-1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag. Interestingly, despite the inserts being discontinuous on the primary amino acid sequence, 3D-modelling of the 2019-nCoV suggests that they converge to constitute the receptor binding site. The finding of 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV, all of which have identity /similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is unlikely to be fortuitous in nature. This work provides yet unknown insights on 2019-nCoV and sheds light on the evolution and pathogenicity of this virus with important implications for diagnosis of this virus.
 
If someone can legitimately watch that 30 minute interview with Dr. Risch who sits on alot of prestigious medical boards and not come to the conclusion that we are not getting the truth then no amount of facts, absolute truth, cognitive reasoning or debate is going to reach them. It's sad really.

You can see Dr. Risch is just completely confused by what is going on, because he is a facts, evidence and science based person. Everything is absolutely illogical and inverted.
 
harddriver":3otst9ea said:
If someone can legitimately watch that 30 minute interview with Dr. Risch who sits on alot of prestigious medical boards and not come to the conclusion that we are not getting the truth then no amount of facts, absolute truth, cognitive reasoning or debate is going to reach them. It's sad really.

You can see Dr. Risch is just completely confused by what is going on, because he is a facts, evidence and science based person. Everything is absolutely illogical and inverted.

I agree...the thing here is everything is purposely meant to politicize. It's an election year and everything is political, and if there is collateral damage, well so be it(their thoughts, not mine). Beyond that, the current news/media everything is meant as confusion and divide and conquer. HCQ, MASKS, BLM, DEFUND, its all just planted impressions to divide. Until people quit acquiesce, it will continue and continue and continue.
 
Goat":7vql2ljr said:
Reminds me of what King George said to John Adams... "I pray that the United States does not suffer for its want of a monarchy." Seems to me, that is exaclty what we've ended-up with.

The unhinged Democrat in you is out there now trying to cause as much damage as you can.

No surprise from you SiteClown.
 
Goat":zc4x8xal said:
WGAF":zc4x8xal said:
Goat":zc4x8xal said:
Reminds me of what King George said to John Adams... "I pray that the United States does not suffer for its want of a monarchy." Seems to me, that is exaclty what we've ended-up with.

The Democrat in you is out there now trying to cause as mush damage as you can.

No surprise from you SiteClown.
What is wrong with you, dude? Stalking my posts now? Someone, please ban this lunatic!

Stop panicking as it's a public forum and YOU DON'T OWN IT you unhinged Democrat.
 
Goat":90jiem9k said:
Please disregard all posts by user ID "WGAF" within my authored topics.

What kind of Democrat move is this panic stricken request? :loco: :loco: :loco: :loco:

Again I remind you, you DON'T own this forum.
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I can get you some tissues if you need them darling? :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Again, where are your authorities as my bags are packed and I'm ready for the big house?
 



India has a very low morbidity rate when compared to the USA per capita in population and they are using it for propylaxis and treatment. The numbers don't lie. India population 1.38 billion people.
US population 331 million people, Below is with the most current data posted as of 8/4/2020. One country using HCQ extensively one country not using HCQ, what does the data tell you?????????????????? Judging from what this virus is doing to the US shouldn't it be ravaging a country like India???????????????

India population: 1.38 Billion
Coronavirus Cases:
1,906,520
Deaths:
39,820
Recovered:
1,280,667

USA: population 331 Million
Coronavirus Cases:
4,800,000
Deaths:
158,000
Recovered:
2,300,000
 
 
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