A couple of questions about an Uberschall Twin Jet

[mightywarlock]

Howdy.

Heard an Uberschall for the first time the other day and really dug the tone, then went and demo'd a Twin Jet.

A couple of questions come to mind, after discussing with someone about an older Uber.

To me, it seemed as if the Twin Jet was a very tight amp, similar in a way to my Diezel VH4 ch.3, where the notes kind of stick tight when you are playing. Reminded me less of my Herbert, and more of my VH4, or Mark V.
Now, I was talking with someone about an Uber and they said they thought an Uberschall was definitely not a tight amp at all, and we must have different definitions of tight.

Now, I bought a Rivera KR7 earlier this year after hearing how much of a tight amp those were, and I couldn't deal with it very long, and thought it was definitely not one of the tightest amps i have heard.
Now, perhaps some of this Tight talk has to do with De-tuning? Perhaps?
in my band, we typically are tuned standard E. The Rivera was sold pretty quickly, as even thought it is a great amp, it just wasn't for me.

Now, I have been looking for a very raw and heavy amp for awhile, and was wondering if the Twin Jet is what I am really looking for? When I played it the other day, it seemed pretty capable of being mean and heavy, and the notes tracked pretty tight, at least I thought so.
Do other people have the same thoughts, or do I have to go back and listen again?

 

[ttosh]

The Twin Jet tracks tight IMHO on Channel 1, stops on a dime per se. However on Channel 2 it has some pretty thick and rich tones you can get that could easily be mistaken for night tight enough for rhythm playing, but great for singing lead tones thick and rich.

I think the Herbert and Twin Jet are similar in tightness, however I think the Herbert is much more compressed and the TJ is much more raw and in your face. Also when it comes to how tight an amp is, guitars, cabs, pickups, picking technique etc.. comes into play.

I could see Channel 2 being extremely tight and rich with the EQ setup correctly. However it carries a lot of depth and low end with Channel 2 and if somebody brought the depth control up and dimed the bass at gig levels they would probably walk away saying, DAMN that amp is not very tight..... ROFLMAO

I love mine, you should give it another listen and decide for yourself though. Good luck whatever you do.

 

[mightywarlock]

see, that's just it...the eq...
I set it up in the store like this...pretty much the way i eq all my amps...
o'clock
bass @ 11:00
Mid @ 3:00
Treb @ 2:00
Pres @ 1:00
depth @ 2:00
gain @ 1:30

to me, it was thick, but yet stuck tightly to the notes. black metal type double picking felt akward in a way with these settings, made me think of my vh4 ch. 3, or herbert 2+.

I heard the undertone of gain underneath the tones, but still, the rawness, and aggressive nature of the tone is what I liked.
and I wonder, with a maxon od808 how much more it would tighten still.

i really have to think I will try this again, and probably get one soon.

 

[glip22]

You cannot set in a traditional manner. The EQ is very interactive and downright a little crazy. The prescence controls mids also.The treble control is strange also. I havn't figured it out yet. The amp sounds great at most settings, but it can be tailored to suit you and has a huge amount of tones in it. You want tight. Crank the global master to 2:00 and turn the preamp volume lower. I love the amp's tracking and it's as tight as I would ever need. You can also set it to have a more open tone. You need more time with it.

 

[steve_k]

Its best to set the EQ after a few drinks, a couple doobies or shrooms. It makes sense then....

Seriously though, it is easy to dial up, just don't get stuck on normal settings, or even normal Uber settings. Especially on channel 1.

Steve

 

[ttosh]

Its best to set the EQ after a few drinks, a couple doobies or shrooms. It makes sense then....

Seriously though, it is easy to dial up, just don't get stuck on normal settings, or even normal Uber settings. Especially on channel 1.

Steve

A few drinks and things start making some since from Reinhold's point of view. I probably run my mids high on this amp compared to most, but the treble and bass really affect the mids as well, a lot of volume/mid control in the EQ. Also the treble/presence can bring the blanket off the speakers tone really easily. This EQ is weird for sure, but one cannot say there are not a plethora of tones in this amp, and they are not all just detuned metal freak heavy either.

 

[Jay Strange]

Sounds like ya need a Natas

 

[ttosh]

Sounds like ya need a Natas

Have you spent serious time with both amps? Comparison would be really cool, I love the TJ and it is going nowhere since it is the Bogner I have heard in my head for a few years now. However I would love to hear a good comparison from somebody who has spent significant time with both and can give a good review.

 

[TheMagicEight]

Sounds like ya need a Natas

Have you spent serious time with both amps? Comparison would be really cool, I love the TJ and it is going nowhere since it is the Bogner I have heard in my head for a few years now. However I would love to hear a good comparison from somebody who has spent significant time with both and can give a good review.

+1

 

[Mailman1971]

yeah...... want to check out the twin Jet myself......

 

[Shiny_Surface]

Its best to set the EQ after a few drinks, a couple doobies or shrooms. It makes sense then....

Seriously though, it is easy to dial up, just don't get stuck on normal settings, or even normal Uber settings. Especially on channel 1.

Steve

I had to re-map my brain to the Twin Jet's EQ structure, it's been rearranged from the earlier Ubers and I had those down cold.

 

[se7en]

It's pretty counter-intuitive on some controls, but once you get it dialed in...holy s***...

 

[steve_k]

Its best to set the EQ after a few drinks, a couple doobies or shrooms. It makes sense then....

Seriously though, it is easy to dial up, just don't get stuck on normal settings, or even normal Uber settings. Especially on channel 1.

Steve

I had to re-map my brain to the Twin Jet's EQ structure, it's been rearranged from the earlier Ubers and I had those down cold.

I had to stand back and play and let my wife turn knobs. Once you get it set with a cab though, mark them and forget them. I should have a new Bogner FL here tomorrow.

Steve

 

[Jay Strange]

Its best to set the EQ after a few drinks, a couple doobies or shrooms. It makes sense then....

Seriously though, it is easy to dial up, just don't get stuck on normal settings, or even normal Uber settings. Especially on channel 1.

Steve

I had to re-map my brain to the Twin Jet's EQ structure, it's been rearranged from the earlier Ubers and I had those down cold.

I had to stand back and play and let my wife turn knobs. Once you get it set with a cab though, mark them and forget them. I should have a new Bogner FL here tomorrow.

Steve

Nice score on the cab BTW Steve!!! GREAT combo brother!
Made me wonder why I wasted time/loot on others after the first 10 minutes with the FL UberKab+ TJ.

 

[mightywarlock]

Alright.

Well.

I ordered it.

I feel sick.

I've spent too much money on amps this year.

 

[glip22]

Alright.

Well.

I ordered it.

I feel sick.

I've spent too much money on amps this year.

Well, when you get it you can then unload at least two of your other amps or maybe you just feel sick because you are sick

 

[steve_k]

Alright.

Well.

I ordered it.

I feel sick.

I've spent too much money on amps this year.

Well, when you get it you can then unload at least two of your other amps or maybe you just feel sick because you are sick

Well, at least he still feels sick. When you feel nothing at all, that's when its to for the AA (amps anonymous) meetings...

 

[glip22]

Alright.

Well.

I ordered it.

I feel sick.

I've spent too much money on amps this year.

Well, when you get it you can then unload at least two of your other amps or maybe you just feel sick because you are sick

Well, at least he still feels sick. When you feel nothing at all, that's when its to for the AA (amps anonymous) meetings...

He hasn't thrown up yet

 

[mightywarlock]

So i've gotten some cool settings for Ch.1, however Ch.2 is a little more...difficult, i guess...
I find myself pretty happy with straight up 12 or 1 on everything on the channel.

i can't really tell what the Treble is doing, and the mids seem to just suck everything out and make thin and bright if you turn it past 2oclock.

can you suggest some Twin Jet Settings to try?

 

[glip22]

So i've gotten some cool settings for Ch.1, however Ch.2 is a little more...difficult, i guess...
I find myself pretty happy with straight up 12 or 1 on everything on the channel.

i can't really tell what the Treble is doing, and the mids seem to just suck everything out and make thin and bright if you turn it past 2oclock.

can you suggest some Twin Jet Settings to try?

It has to be set to your cab. Try Pre Prescence at Noon, Treble at 2:00, mids at 10:30 ans Bass at noon. Play around from there. The treble and mids are very interactive as you are finding.One affects the other drastically. My Channel 2 sounds huge and thick.