Alder or Mahogany?

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I know there is a difference but which do you prefer?

Mahogany seems a bit warmer and darker. Alder seems sharper and brighter but not as bright as maple although it seems cutting.

I have never played an Alder body guitar and I am basing this from videos. For those experienced with both which do you prefer and why?
 
Depends on the guitar and music genre. Also, there are alder guitars that do sound dark and mahogany ones sounding very bright.
 
I’ve never noticed any reliable tonal tendencies of one wood type over others. I’d pick for weight, durability/hardness, and appearance. Tone/resonance is a crap shoot.
 
Zado":1ve3oqos said:
Depends on the guitar and music genre. Also, there are alder guitars that do sound dark and mahogany ones sounding very bright.

Fair enough, wanted to leave it general but this is me trying to make a decision between guitars.

I play modern metal. Not the djent kind and I do not like the "mid kerrang" sound but just modern metal with heavy tones. I use a Bogner Uber Rev. 2 and I can go dark or bright between the different cabs I have and playing with the settings.

I have a Standard ESP Horizon (Mahogany) and it does sound amazing. I guess warm and slightly dark but not super dark.

I am considering an ESP E-ii M-ii.

Neck Thru with Alder Body and Flamed Maple top. 3 Pc Maple neck with Ebony board. It has Original Floyd and comes with EMG 81 but I will replace with a type of Fishman Fluence.

I am sure it will be a fantastic guitar. Not the EXACT specs I would choose but I am not going the custom route. Anyway just curious what to expect. Maybe not a huge difference from what I have now? Ideally I would get the same kind of tone just more cutting with Alder.

cardinal":1ve3oqos said:
I’ve never noticed any reliable tonal tendencies of one wood type over others. I’d pick for weight, durability/hardness, and appearance. Tone/resonance is a crap shoot.
Good point.
 
I tend to prefer mahogany. That's not to say I don't enjoy Alder, I do, and to me it's not as much the natural tone difference as it is the playing repsonse. The response I get from a mahogany body makes me want to dig in to the strings more which enhances the tone imo. Whereas alder i tend to "just play"... if that makes any sense.
 
GOHOINC":2bwdkz9m said:
I tend to prefer mahogany. That's not to say I don't enjoy Alder, I do, and to me it's not as much the natural tone difference as it is the playing repsonse. The response I get from a mahogany body makes me want to dig in to the strings more which enhances the tone imo. Whereas alder i tend to "just play"... if that makes any sense.

Yes!! :rock: that actually makes perfect sense and is the reason I LOVE my ESP. I thought that had to do with the Ebony board though. Was my first Ebony so hard to say. Something to consider for sure.
 
In the guitars I've played, I've only liked Mahogany when it had a maple cap. I've liked Alder both with and without a maple cap. But I also agree that there are a lot of other things that contribute to the final tone.
 
exo-metal":293tg3it said:
For acoustic or electric, it matters...
I was talking electric. For acoustic I much prefer Rosewood back and sides to Mahogany. I didn't even know anybody made Alder acoustics.
 
My mistake...my first thoughts were whether the guitar is electrified, and that matters. Once it's plugged in there's more in play besides what it's made of IMHO. I know the long debate but all I really care about species-wise is resonance and mass/weight/sustain. Everyone else can continue the war about hearing one from another...
 
Basswood with a maple top for bolt ons. A lot of Sig guitars use this. Also John Suhr's favorite combo.
 
GOHOINC":10yv3h99 said:
I tend to prefer mahogany. That's not to say I don't enjoy Alder, I do, and to me it's not as much the natural tone difference as it is the playing repsonse. The response I get from a mahogany body makes me want to dig in to the strings more which enhances the tone imo. Whereas alder i tend to "just play"... if that makes any sense.
This... ^^^^

I definitely think wood makes a difference, and I think it's mostly in how the wood responds to your playing technique. I also agree that basing a selection only on the type of wood is a crap shoot. Even wood from the same tree, if dried differently (incorrectly), is going to sound different. The time it takes to properly acquire, dry, prepare, and store wood for use in any guitar is one of the major contributors to price.

I think there are four areas of guitar contruction that also make a difference. The quality of both the wood and the work is more or less equally important, or at least I think so.

1. Main Body - by this, I mean the wood in the center of the guitar. This could be the entire body, it could be a layer between or underneath a separate top and/or back, it could be just a center piece (think semi-hollow), it could be the centerblock under the bridge in a hollowbody, or it could just be the sides (think acoustic).

2. Top and/or Back - if the guitar has a different wood laminated to its top (think Les Paul) or both top and back (think PRS Hollowbody), this is what I mean here.

3. Neck - Obviously, this is the neck shaft (think bolt-on), but could also be set into the body (think set-neck), or a single piece running the length of the guitar (think neck-through).

4. Fingerboard - the biggest difference here is whether the neck and fretboard are the same piece (think one-piece maple neck) or another wood is laminated (think mahogany neck/ebony fretboard).

Fon instance, I have two virtually identical guitars. The only difference is one has a 2-piece maple neck and the other has a 2-piece maple/rosewood neck. They're both bolt-on, both same make, model, year, and body wood. Do they sound the same? No. Similar, yes, but not identical. Is that because of the fretboard? Maybe. Or maybe it could be the natual differences in two pieces of wood.

Also important is how much wood there is in each component (think long vs short tenon, round-lam vs slab, veneer top vs 1/2" top, or solid body vs semi-hollow).

Anyway... these are my observations from guitars I currently own:

Ash - brighty, fast attack (spanky)
Alder - bright, not not nearly as so as ash. More well rounded but still with bell-like highs
Mahogany - warmer, noticably slower attack, nice sustain
Korina - white or black, much like mahogany but with a little faster attack and slightly brighter (sweeter) almost like a hint of ash.
Maple - bright, tons of sustain
Rosewood - warm but certainly not dark
Ebony - slightly brighter than maple, lots of definition (upper midrange)

Which one's my favorite? The one that's currently in my hands... ;) Honestly, though, they're all good, just different. If I were to pick all the woods, I'd go for a Korina body with a maple top, a rosewood neck, and an ebony fretboard. But that's just me...
 
Walnut my friend walnut ;) Because it smells so good while your playing!
 
Mahogany is my favorite body wood. I'm a mid to low output in the pickup department and play melodic mental and neo-classical stuff. Keep in mind there are various flavors, types of Mahogany so not all of it is awesome :) I'm not a huge fan of Alder but it can sound really good too. Good wood is good wood so start there. I've parted a few guitars together and my best ones tend to be heavier mahogany bodies with maple tops. I always shoot for a singer...meaning it sings, resonates and sustains unplugged. I like the darkness and warmth of it when you get a good match.
 
(swamp) Ash :) it looks and sounds better to me.
Hard to separate reality and placebo in these things.. alder always sounded "flat" to my ears, but again, I am def not a tone wood snob/believer.
 
I bet in a blinded test most people chiming in won't be able to tell the difference, especially if you use high gain amps and pickups. Don't sweat it.
 
Exactly my point! I just watched a show on Netflix, I think it was our planet II documentary or similar and a segment talked about the greatest instruments of all time ever built...the violins made by Stratavarius. They said the woods used and that yielded the most for the money had been built out of woods that had the tightest growth rings and also noted that no woods today in modern times are able to source anything near old growth that could even compare. That one fact alone highlights resonance due to density. Bring in high gain amps and hot pickups and the game is drastically changed...I laugh when I hear people say through all the gear haha I hear maple/basswood/ash/alder blah blah blah...
 
ChurchHill":kzdzabep said:
. Even wood from the same tree, if dried differently (incorrectly), is going to sound different.

Wood from the same tree dried “correctly” is going to be different. To me that’s part of the beauty. Most wood species including “tone woods” are so inconsistent that you really have to seek other components with consistent tonality within your tone pipeline that feel right and are compatible with your tonal vision.
 
I prefer mahogany over alder. I love to pair with a bright mid heavy or high mid heavy pickup like a BKP Painkiller, Cold Sweat or SD Blackwinter. Favorite combo.

But a good quality company using a good sourced wood is going to sound pretty good no matter the wood. I actually love basswood too, my new Suhr Modern gold drip is basswood and it’s actually kind of heavy (for basswood) and has the most awesome full resonant sound, sounds incredible with the SSV+ pickups.
 
Alder can sound plenty dark, warm too. Really depends on the specs, method of neck attachment, thickness etc. Overall I tend to prefer mahogany.
 
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