Any Worship Guys / Church Musicians playing Egnater?

[oshuwah]

Any worship guys playing Egnater's?

We recently picked up a Rebel 20 as a house amp which runs direct and was my first exposure to Egnater. The amp is used by our rotating rhythm electric player. Lead electric uses a full rack rig.

As a worship leader I've found I just needed the basics for elctric tone since I play with as many as 4 guitars on stage at a time - leave the complicated stuff to the ensemble players. Well I have recently started playing as an ensemble player myself and am discovering the need for tone...as a result I have been in pursuit of a complete rack rig to replace my Line6 Pod XT Live (my sole source for tone over the last 5 years).

I am curious to know if any of you are using the M4 Preamp and if so what Modules you are using?

I've settled on...

Mesa Boogie 20/20 Power Amp
Egnater M4 Preamp with the BMAN and VX Modules (other two mods T.B.D.)
TC Electronics G-System Pedal Board
BBE 882i Sonic Maximizer (this might now make the final cut but I am going to give it a shot)
Hughes & Kettner Red Box Classic DI
SKB Rolling 6U Case
Egnater Rebel 112x Cabinet - for practicing at home (will run direct for gigs)

I am playing in three band right now, two of which I lead, and have a solo project in post production. Needless to say I can't wait to get this all set up and running. The last piece was the M4 and I am placing the order for it tomorrow.

Cheers,

Josh

 

[waldonreedjr]

I've been using a Mod 50 (BMAN and SL2 modules) with a G Major2 and a Voodoo Lab Ground Control at church for about 6 months now. It's doing everything I need it to do in both that environment and outside. I considered the M4 before I bought the Mod 50, but felt that I really didn't need any more than 4 amp channels (or the expense and weight of a separate power amp) in a typical performance.

Peace,

Waldon
http://www.waldonreed.com

 

[jedisb]

Going to be using my Tourmaster at church for the first time this Sunday evening for a special worship service. I normally play through a Tonelab SE multi-effects direct to the board. We're having to put the speaker cabinet in another room in order to control the volume.

One of the features I wish the Tourmaster had was that the speaker simulated output worked while in standby mode. The Traynor YCS100 that I considered along side the Tourmaster had that feature. Would make things easier at church.

 

[jedisb]

Well, using the Tourmaster this weekend is a bust. We just couldn't get it to sound right. I think it had to do with the acoustics of the room we were using. Wish there was some way to use it on stage but we just can't control the volume well enough. The other guitar player had the same issue with his Vox AC4TV - just sounded horrible mic'ed and through the mains.

 

[EWSEthan]

Well, using the Tourmaster this weekend is a bust. We just couldn't get it to sound right. I think it had to do with the acoustics of the room we were using. Wish there was some way to use it on stage but we just can't control the volume well enough. The other guitar player had the same issue with his Vox AC4TV - just sounded horrible mic'ed and through the mains.

Its kinda strange that you cannot control the volume well enough with a master volme amp.

If it sounds bad, maybe you should try different mic placement or checking how your EQ is set at the board?

 

[RockStarNick]

If you're used to using the Vox Tonelab direct, are you sure that you might just not be used to the sound of a mic'd amp?

 

[oshuwah]

Well, using the Tourmaster this weekend is a bust. We just couldn't get it to sound right. I think it had to do with the acoustics of the room we were using. Wish there was some way to use it on stage but we just can't control the volume well enough. The other guitar player had the same issue with his Vox AC4TV - just sounded horrible mic'ed and through the mains.

I am sorry to hear that! That must have been aggrivating for sure. This is a great example of why I wont play with a cab/head or combo amp live in a church setting. My church has a state of the art sound system (only 9 months old) and I still would not attempt it. As for the churches I travel to, you never know the quality of the system your playing through or the limitations of the room. So I run direct (rack rig out though an H&K Red Box Classic). My Mesa 20/20 Power Amp and Egnater M4 Preamp arrives today - I'm stoked.

 

[gdgross]

I used to use my egnater m4 rig for all my church gigs - at one i had the cab offstage and mic'd in the basement...

About a year ago I bought an axe-fx and never looked back. Solved all of my volume problems.

I still bring the eggie rack with the rock band, but for anything where I'm gonna get told to turn down, the axe rack wins. It's smaller and lighter, too. (although that's only in comparison to the eggie rack; they're both beasts.)

 

[Audioholic]

Well, using the Tourmaster this weekend is a bust. We just couldn't get it to sound right. I think it had to do with the acoustics of the room we were using. Wish there was some way to use it on stage but we just can't control the volume well enough. The other guitar player had the same issue with his Vox AC4TV - just sounded horrible mic'ed and through the mains.

probally your mic or cab was the issue then. you should have no problem getting a good sound with the right mic, on a good cab, with proper settings on your amp. and Chances are if this sounded bad, then who is to say something else direct won't sound bad either? A direct guitar sound is supposed to emulate a well mic'd guitar cab, nothing really more.

 

[bkd_guitarist]

I play in two bands, a classic rock cover band and my church P&W band. I've been using my Mod50 in the church band for almost two years. I'm fortunate to play in a place where we have a pretty aggressive, rock musical style, and we can play relatively loud (for church) - we typically run 100-110db.

I mainly use the SL2 and T/D modules, sometimes substituting the VX for the T/D. That works well with my PRS Singlecut. When I play my Tom Anderson Classic, I'll sometimes go with the BMAN and COD...those modules seem to like the strat-style guitar. Neck pickup leads with the Tom Anderson into the dirty channel of the BMAN are...wow. Very nice indeed.

I run the amp in low power mode, with the master volume on the high side, around 2 o'clock, and keep the volume manageable with the module masters.

Effects include an Eventide Timefactor, Boss PS-5 Pitch Shifter, and Option 5 Destination Rotation in the loop. I have a BB Preamp, a Timmy, and a Sunlion in front of the amp, but these are rarely ever used - the Mod50 doesn't need 'em.

The Mod50 is absolutely killer in this application. With this rig I can get every tone imaginable for all the stuff we do: Lincoln Brewster, David Crowder, Chris Tomlin, Skillet, Flyleaf, Trans Siberian Orchestra at Christmas time. I couldn't be happier.

 

[EWSEthan]

I play in two bands, a classic rock cover band and my church P&W band. I've been using my Mod50 in the church band for almost two years. I'm fortunate to play in a place where we have a pretty aggressive, rock musical style, and we can play relatively loud (for church) - we typically run 100-110db.

I mainly use the SL2 and T/D modules, sometimes substituting the VX for the T/D. That works well with my PRS Singlecut. When I play my Tom Anderson Classic, I'll sometimes go with the BMAN and COD...those modules seem to like the strat-style guitar. Neck pickup leads with the Tom Anderson into the dirty channel of the BMAN are...wow. Very nice indeed.

I run the amp in low power mode, with the master volume on the high side, around 2 o'clock, and keep the volume manageable with the module masters.

Effects include an Eventide Timefactor, Boss PS-5 Pitch Shifter, and Option 5 Destination Rotation in the loop. I have a BB Preamp, a Timmy, and a Sunlion in front of the amp, but these are rarely ever used - the Mod50 doesn't need 'em.

The Mod50 is absolutely killer in this application. With this rig I can get every tone imaginable for all the stuff we do: Lincoln Brewster, David Crowder, Chris Tomlin, Skillet, Flyleaf, Trans Siberian Orchestra at Christmas time. I couldn't be happier.

Slightly OT: Skillet's last album was awesome, but the newest one feels a bit like too much of the same with songs that are just not as strong to me. What do you think of it?

 

[bkd_guitarist]

Slightly OT: Skillet's last album was awesome, but the newest one feels a bit like too much of the same with songs that are just not as strong to me. What do you think of it?

I haven't had a chance to listen to the majority of it - the only song I've heard is "Monster," since it's on the radio all the time. Based on that, I'd agree with you. "Monster" seems kind of rehashed, nothing particularly new or special there. Too bad, because their older stuff is excellent.

 

[EWSEthan]

Slightly OT: Skillet's last album was awesome, but the newest one feels a bit like too much of the same with songs that are just not as strong to me. What do you think of it?

I haven't had a chance to listen to the majority of it - the only song I've heard is "Monster," since it's on the radio all the time. Based on that, I'd agree with you. "Monster" seems kind of rehashed, nothing particularly new or special there. Too bad, because their older stuff is excellent.

"Hero" is really catchy and there is good stuff on there, but to me, it just sounds like a carbon copy of Comatose. I still need to check out Collide and the older stuff.

 

[oshuwah]

I play in two bands, a classic rock cover band and my church P&W band. I've been using my Mod50 in the church band for almost two years. I'm fortunate to play in a place where we have a pretty aggressive, rock musical style, and we can play relatively loud (for church) - we typically run 100-110db.

I mainly use the SL2 and T/D modules, sometimes substituting the VX for the T/D. That works well with my PRS Singlecut. When I play my Tom Anderson Classic, I'll sometimes go with the BMAN and COD...those modules seem to like the strat-style guitar. Neck pickup leads with the Tom Anderson into the dirty channel of the BMAN are...wow. Very nice indeed.

I run the amp in low power mode, with the master volume on the high side, around 2 o'clock, and keep the volume manageable with the module masters.

Effects include an Eventide Timefactor, Boss PS-5 Pitch Shifter, and Option 5 Destination Rotation in the loop. I have a BB Preamp, a Timmy, and a Sunlion in front of the amp, but these are rarely ever used - the Mod50 doesn't need 'em.

The Mod50 is absolutely killer in this application. With this rig I can get every tone imaginable for all the stuff we do: Lincoln Brewster, David Crowder, Chris Tomlin, Skillet, Flyleaf, Trans Siberian Orchestra at Christmas time. I couldn't be happier.

VERY NICE! Flyleaf - SWEET! I do all those and we do rock the house. I am still getting used the egnater M4. I love the BMAN and VOX mods. Still trying to figure out which way to go the the rest. I only bought two to start and am considering a third. I need a good srong drive channel to cover United stuff, etc. I really love the VOX B channel but that is more Brit ala Hillsong london and would fir right with songs like "Follow The Son" off their 'Jesus Is' Album.

Any suggestions for the right high gain mod? I am not into the crazy metal tones, looking for a good modern rock distortion.

 

[bkd_guitarist]

Any suggestions for the right high gain mod? I am not into the crazy metal tones, looking for a good modern rock distortion.

I can't recommend the SL2 highly enough. It's a great, smooth sounding distortion with a lot of gain, that's very versatile. If you want something more modern sounding, the EG5 might be a good choice. It's a bit more aggressive and not as smooth as the SL2. Either one has more gain than you'll ever need.

 

[oshuwah]

Any suggestions for the right high gain mod? I am not into the crazy metal tones, looking for a good modern rock distortion.

I can't recommend the SL2 highly enough. It's a great, smooth sounding distortion with a lot of gain, that's very versatile. If you want something more modern sounding, the EG5 might be a good choice. It's a bit more aggressive and not as smooth as the SL2. Either one has more gain than you'll ever need.

Hey thanks! I saw a demo vid of the SL2 somewhere and remember being blown away by one of the sounds that came out of a pick up change, maybe neck pick up? I dont, really depends on the guitar anyway. I will try to find that vid. Thanks for the advice!

 

[EWSEthan]

Any suggestions for the right high gain mod? I am not into the crazy metal tones, looking for a good modern rock distortion.

I can't recommend the SL2 highly enough. It's a great, smooth sounding distortion with a lot of gain, that's very versatile. If you want something more modern sounding, the EG5 might be a good choice. It's a bit more aggressive and not as smooth as the SL2. Either one has more gain than you'll ever need.

SL2 is great, but SL2X takes it to another whole level. Increased clarity and bite. It improves on the SL2 in every way. If you want to go more modern, EG5. It has tons of gain, but tapers well so its not like all or nothing.

 

[oshuwah]

Any suggestions for the right high gain mod? I am not into the crazy metal tones, looking for a good modern rock distortion.

I can't recommend the SL2 highly enough. It's a great, smooth sounding distortion with a lot of gain, that's very versatile. If you want something more modern sounding, the EG5 might be a good choice. It's a bit more aggressive and not as smooth as the SL2. Either one has more gain than you'll ever need.

SL2 is great, but SL2X takes it to another whole level. Increased clarity and bite. It improves on the SL2 in every way. If you want to go more modern, EG5. It has tons of gain, but tapers well so its not like all or nothing.

It was the SL2X that I heard. With the neck and middle single coils and the volume rolled down - sounds fantastic. It is at 2:09 seconds into this vid. http://www.egnater.com/news/?p=26