Anyone care to trade?? (My Einstein for a VH4) ?

[Joeytpg]

Hi guys, I'm really gasing a VH4 lately...........I thought I could wait a year to trade the Einstein for a VH4 but man........I'm GASING a VH4 badly! hahaha

Anyone has a VH4 they'd like to TRADE....for an Einstein and some cash? (I also have Olaf's mod for the switchable ch.1 modes....... It's not "installed" but I have the pedal and all the necessary things....you just need to "solder" all)


anyone?


GAS SUCKS!

BY THE WAY: I'm in Barcelona Spain, so this post is for Europe guy only

 

[nbarts]

I think you are letting your feelings blur your judgment. You own an amazing amp & you are very far from getting the best out of it. VH4 is not easy to work with, so you better gain some solid experience working with your Einstein before you jump around switching amp heads. There is a possibility that you'll like your Einstein better than the VH4. Hell, I'd like to have an Enstein myself.

My 2¢ FWIW.

 

[slate]

i say go for it ....
i changed from an einstein ( a great amp ) to the VH4 and couldnt be happier .
and the VH4 is just as easy as the einstein to use - its just got more knobs is all !

 

[Jaymz82]

i say go for it ....
i changed from an einstein ( a great amp ) to the VH4 and couldnt be happier .
and the VH4 is just as easy as the einstein to use - its just got more knobs is all !

Well, I think nbarts was referring to playing a VH4 and not the number of channels and switching. I switched from a Einstein to a VH4 and I can tell that I had a hard time getting used to the VH4 because it is unforgiving and tight as hell. The sound was great from the beginning but when I heard the first note I thought I had lost the ability to play the guitar. You should really consider this as well as that the Einstein sounds a lot better at low volumes than the VH4.
Third thing that might happen is that your cab will probably not be able to handle the VH4. I used to have two 2x12 cabs that worked great with the Einstein but simply couldn't handle the power the VH4 puts out.

 

[slate]

i disagree on all points...
i found no problem with the switch whatsoever - didnt affect my playing one bit .
and my 212R cab handles the VH4 just fine , and we play EXTREMELY loud .
(ask james at diezel UK - my 212R SMOKED a regular diezel 412 at high volumes ) .
as for the einstein sounding better at low volumes - that just nonsense .

 

[Joeytpg]

ehehe, well I guess you all are somewhat right.........

nbarts........you're correct when you say I should stick to the Einstein a bit longer.......it takes a while fo know a head and all its characteristics and all it can do tone wise. I really like my Einstein but deep down in my gut I have a feeling "something's" missing.......not much.....I'm 90% there, but "something" is definitely missing....I think it might be that dry/punch in the face the VH4 has.


Again, if someone jumps out and wants to trade, I'll go for it.........IF NOT, I'll stay with my original plan (To stick to the Einstein for a year untill I move to my home country, and then sell it and get the VH4). I'm not desperate at all, if I was I'd be selling the Einstein to get the VH4, but I'm not, it's just a "trade"


Anyways...... I'll keep playing with my Einstein, and I'll keep loving it...........and of course there's always the chance I fall in love with it SO MUCH I'd never want to sell it, it's all possible. But I really want the independent 4 channels the VH4 has.

rock on bro. thanks for the advice.

 

[Jaymz82]

I didn't say anything about the switching having an effect on the playing.
But you can't deny that the VH4 is a lot more unforgiving and harder to play than the Einstein or Herbert.

As for the cab situation. That is what actually happened to me. The 2x12 (of course that doesn't mean every 2x12 cab is like that) lost all power at a distance larger than 2m. I had a long talk with Peter Stapfer about it and he explained to me why that happens.
Have you ever played one of the new Dillingen Made Diezel cabs? They are by far the best cabs I have ever heard.

Concerning low volume playing. It is well known that the VH4 power amp has a lot more effect on the overall sound than the power amp of the Einstein or Herbert. If you have ever played the VH4 with master volume set at 1/2 or more you will have noticed that there is quite big change in sound. The VH4 really comes to life when played loud. A lot more than the Einstein or Herbert.

i disagree on all points...
i found no problem with the switch whatsoever - didnt affect my playing one bit .
and my 212R cab handles the VH4 just fine , and we play EXTREMELY loud .
(ask james at diezel UK - my 212R SMOKED a regular diezel 412 at high volumes ) .
as for the einstein sounding better at low volumes - that just nonsense .

 

[PBGas]

You own an amazing amp & you are very far from getting the best out of it.

This is 100% true! The Einstein was built for a reason and it serves that purpose for me. It actually served 2 purposes for me......it was a way of being able to afford both a head and a cab AND I don't need more than 100 watts. I had a limited budget as to what I could get and I got exactly what I needed and more!

You still get that patented Diezel grind in a smaller package. After gigging for the last 2 weeks, I can tell you, that I truly appreciate the Einstein's more compact size and the lighter weight of the 2x12FL cab.

Playing live with it, I've never had a better amp! My god this thing cuts and sounds deadly whether clean, dirty or brutal. Just amazing. It will be even more functional for me once I do the footswitch mod to the rear and figure out how to run it with my new G-system. That will give me my cake and icing!

I'd love to have gotten a VH4 or Herbert.....but I used the extra $$$ to get a nice effect system as well.

Joe....I'd suggest trying an EQ through the loop and playing with that as well.

 

[slate]

yes i have played the dillingen cabs - i own the first one ever built !

 

[Joeytpg]

You own an amazing amp & you are very far from getting the best out of it.

This is 100% true! The Einstein was built for a reason and it serves that purpose for me. It actually served 2 purposes for me......it was a way of being able to afford both a head and a cab AND I don't need more than 100 watts. I had a limited budget as to what I could get and I got exactly what I needed and more!

You still get that patented Diezel grind in a smaller package. After gigging for the last 2 weeks, I can tell you, that I truly appreciate the Einstein's more compact size and the lighter weight of the 2x12FL cab.

Playing live with it, I've never had a better amp! My god this thing cuts and sounds deadly whether clean, dirty or brutal. Just amazing. It will be even more functional for me once I do the footswitch mod to the rear and figure out how to run it with my new G-system. That will give me my cake and icing!

I'd love to have gotten a VH4 or Herbert.....but I used the extra $$$ to get a nice effect system as well.

Joe....I'd suggest trying an EQ through the loop and playing with that as well.

thanks for the comment man! very encouraging! I mean don't get me wrong......I LOVE the Einstein hehehe and I appreciate it very much...........I was/am a victim of GAS hehe




BY the way.......for all you MORE KNOWLEDGABLE users.......if I were to run an EQ in the loop of my einstein.............which Freq should I boot/cut to get me closer to the VH4 sound? (less modern, more "tight")

???

 

[Jaymz82]

BY the way.......for all you MORE KNOWLEDGABLE users.......if I were to run an EQ in the loop of my einstein.............which Freq should I boot/cut to get me closer to the VH4 sound? (less modern, more "tight")

???

Imo you don't need an extra EQ. Ch1. Mode 3 can get pretty similar to the VH4's Channel 3. You will have to mess around especially with the mids, deep and presence.

 

[slate]

he is right - they're VERY similar .
i dont think you'll get the other VH4 tones from an einstein - EQ or not .
the voicing and gain structure is different .

 

[Joeytpg]

Nice.....See I know what I'm telling ya.....I haven't played a VH4 but between Einstein ch2 or ch1 M3 I lean towards ch1 m3. hehehe


Anyways......I love Diezel......awesome amps! Time to go play my Einstein

 

[Bad Brad]

I'll buy Olaf's mod for Ch 1 off you if your not going to use it. Can't help you with a VH4, my Eini does me right.

 

[White_Van]

Nice.....See I know what I'm telling ya.....I haven't played a VH4 but between Einstein ch2 or ch1 M3 I lean towards ch1 m3. hehehe


Anyways......I love Diezel......awesome amps! Time to go play my Einstein

You want to trade your Einstein for an amp that you haven't even played?

Probably not a great plan.

 

[nbarts]

I was referring that VH4 is very sensitive to the guitar & pickup set you play with it. Switching to VH4 may force you buy new guitars & switch pickups, cabinet & all that. Are you ready for this kind of changes? FWIW I have a lot of different pickups & half of them sound like shit with VH4. 2nd, you need to realize that tighter low end on VH4 is achieved by more compressed preamp sound, which means at lower volumes without driving the power amp you are not getting that nice low end that VH4 is famous for, especially if you play it at apartment levels. If you have ever played with Mesa Rectifiers their preamp is very compressed too, rectifier preamp without power amp sounds thin, this works with VH4 too. To be fair, VH4 does sound very nice at low volumes, even at apartment levels, but not that good for metal, since the low end magic is not there.

.... IMO

 

[Joeytpg]

When I bough my Einstein I had never played it before. I've heard lots of clips/videos, and read A LOT of reviews on them (all Diezels)

Got the Einstein because I only had the money for it (If I had had more money I would have bought the VH4)

I trusted the reputation/quality Diezels had, and honestly I couldn't be happier. I love the Einstein's tone..........it's just that I like the amp a bit more dry/punchy/versatile (for live playing.....because the Einstein can do it ALL, but with the 4 ch. on the VH4 plus Midi, it's obviously more versatile)


I don't want to come off as if I'm putting the Einstein down......it's a GREAT amp, it's NOT the "little" brother in the family, as some think......... it's a beast of it own, with it's own voicing and all.......and I love it....but I know deep down inside the VH4 is MY holy grail (again, could be wrong.....but I got good intuition)

I also bought my Mesa Boogie F-50 without testing it, and I'm VERY happy with it......... it's a great amp, and I was going to sell it to fund my Einstein, but when the Einstein came, and I played it solely for a week or so, and came back to the F-50, MAN what a great surprise......they are SO SO different (voicing wise) that I said to myself......I gotta hold it up longer...... I'll eventually sell it once I move back overseas next year, but in the mean time I'm really enjoying it.

 

[PBGas]

Isn't GAS just a wonderful thing....I mean, it's even part of my last name...so I really suffer!

As far as Mesa.....MEH.......I've had enough of them to know that I'll never go back. For me it was between the Einstein and the Uberschall. I chose the Einstein because it just sounded that much tighter. As well, those three modes in channel 1 really allow you some flexibility.

Great amp....no regrets and couldn't be happier with it! Using it live as much as I have, I really finally have a very unique sound that is all mine.

 

[garnel81]

Well if you like the mesa so much and your "thing" is Metallica why don't you get a way of playing both amps at the same time. I think a Diezel mixed with another amp(a good one) it's the cherry on the top. Maybe you even lose the idea of the Vh-4(for now )

 

[Joeytpg]

hehehe It would be cool..

hey, I have a Q. has anyone tried an attenuator with their Diezel? I'd like one to "push" the Einstein more......

do they work?