Anyone using Scumbacks with their Bogners?

[RockStarNick]

Any guys here using Scumbacks with their Bogners?

Are you liking it better than the V30s?

Discuss.

 

[Tone Merchant]

yes way better. i like a combination of m75 and h75

 

[Superunknown]

Yep...I have 65 Watt M75's in my Bogner Straight Cab. It simply destroys the Vintage 30's in every possible way ....

 

[billm408]

I've got a Bogner OS 2x12 loaded with the M75's that's awesome. But my main cab is still the Bogner 4x12 w/ Greenbacks. When I get a chance to pair 'em together it just kills! Both of which I prefer to the V30's.

 

[TheMagicEight]

I've got a Bogner OS 2x12 loaded with the M75's that's awesome. But my main cab is still the Bogner 4x12 w/ Greenbacks. When I get a chance to pair 'em together it just kills! Both of which I prefer to the V30's.

I've got a quad of greenbacks as well. How close would you say the M75s are to them? Do you have the 25 or 65 watt version? Thanks!

 

[billm408]

I've got a quad of greenbacks as well. How close would you say the M75s are to them? Do you have the 25 or 65 watt version? Thanks!

I've got the 65w. The M75's are based on the pre-rola greenback's so they're different from the current GB's you get today. More bottom and a little darker. And it could just be the difference between 65w and 25w, but they don't have that crisp crackling top end that the GB's have.

I've been meaning to do a comparison vid... maybe I'll post something tomorrow. 4x12 with greenbacks, 2x12 with the scumbacks and both together.

 

[Jay Strange]

Yep...I have 65 Watt M75's in my Bogner Straight Cab. It simply destroys the Vintage 30's in every possible way ....

Really? With the M75's does the bottom end stay together at high gain and high volume?

Do they hav CUT?

 

[TheMagicEight]

I've got a quad of greenbacks as well. How close would you say the M75s are to them? Do you have the 25 or 65 watt version? Thanks!

I've got the 65w. The M75's are based on the pre-rola greenback's so they're different from the current GB's you get today. More bottom and a little darker. And it could just be the difference between 65w and 25w, but they don't have that crisp crackling top end that the GB's have.

I've been meaning to do a comparison vid... maybe I'll post something tomorrow. 4x12 with greenbacks, 2x12 with the scumbacks and both together.

That would be awesome! I keep hearing how great these Scumbacks are and how people are selling off their speaker collection upon finding their tone with Scumback, but I'm thinking the greenbacks are pretty tough to beat. V30s or G12T-75s? Maybe not so much, though in the right setting, I really like the G12T-75.

I feel a little like V30s are Celestion's answer for a higher powered speaker in the vein of the G12M, but - despite them being as popular as they've become - I don't think the V30 at all lives up to the G12Ms. IMO, a stack of G12Ms is capable of everything a stack of V30s is, but will sound much better every time.

Anyway, would love to see a comparison video!

 

[billm408]

OK... here's a quick vid comparing Greenbacks and Scumback M75's.
Pardon the clamapalooza- my carpal tunnel's acting up a bit today.
Anyway... Bogner XTC 101B w/ KT88's all blue channel.

 

[TheMagicEight]

OK... here's a quick vid comparing Greenbacks and Scumback M75's.
Pardon the clamapalooza- my carpal tunnel's acting up a bit today.
Anyway... Bogner XTC 101B w/ KT88's all blue channel.

Cool! Definitely like the Bogner cab more, though I wonder how much has to do with the cab itself instead of the different speakers. I think I can hear the difference in speakers despite that, so thanks for the clip!

 

[King Guitar]

got 3 bog cabinets coming with M75 scumbacks for my W/D/W set up.

 

[billm408]

Cool! Definitely like the Bogner cab more, though I wonder how much has to do with the cab itself instead of the different speakers. I think I can hear the difference in speakers despite that, so thanks for the clip!

They're both Bogner cabs, and the 2x12 is almost the same size as the 4x12. You mean the greenbacks over the M75's? That's my preference although running them together brings out the best in both IMO.

3 cabs Brad? That's awesomely excessive!!

 

[TheMagicEight]

Cool! Definitely like the Bogner cab more, though I wonder how much has to do with the cab itself instead of the different speakers. I think I can hear the difference in speakers despite that, so thanks for the clip!

They're both Bogner cabs, and the 2x12 is almost the same size as the 4x12. You mean the greenbacks over the M75's? That's my preference although running them together brings out the best in both IMO.

3 cabs Brad? That's awesomely excessive!!

Ahh, right. Yes, the 4x12 is what I liked more. Again, maybe it's just the cab design more than the speakers, though both sounded awesome!

 

[Scumback Speakers]

billm408: I appreciate the effort to show the differences between the speakers. Thank you.

However, the only really fair way to test these two speakers would be in the same cab, same height from the floor, and not in two different cabs. A 4x12 will always sound different/bigger/etc than a 2x12, especially if the 4x12 is sitting on the floor, and the 2x12 is sitting on top of the 4x12.

I'm figuring most of you know this, but just wanted to make the distinction in case someone just listened and didn't see the cab positioning.

 

[billm408]

Absolutely Jim! Nothing scientific going on here, just happens to be the configurations that I own. This was just an effort to show that, while the M75's are based on pre rola greenbacks, they have different characteristics than the celestion GB's that you get today. There's no intention to misrepresent of offend here.

billm408: I appreciate the effort to show the differences between the speakers. Thank you.

However, the only really fair way to test these two speakers would be in the same cab, same height from the floor, and not in two different cabs. A 4x12 will always sound different/bigger/etc than a 2x12, especially if the 4x12 is sitting on the floor, and the 2x12 is sitting on top of the 4x12.

I'm figuring most of you know this, but just wanted to make the distinction in case someone just listened and didn't see the cab positioning.

 

[Scumback Speakers]

No worries, no offense taken, sir! Just want to clarify the differences. Many times players hear a file/sound clip and think "That's it..." and don't realize the recording circumstances. This isn't the first time this has happened, and I'm pretty sure it won't be the last!

 

[romvert]

billm408: I appreciate the effort to show the differences between the speakers. Thank you.

However, the only really fair way to test these two speakers would be in the same cab, same height from the floor, and not in two different cabs. A 4x12 will always sound different/bigger/etc than a 2x12, especially if the 4x12 is sitting on the floor, and the 2x12 is sitting on top of the 4x12.

I'm figuring most of you know this, but just wanted to make the distinction in case someone just listened and didn't see the cab positioning.

I'd tend to say that the settings for the 2x12 should be readjusted, then the whole thing gets closer to the GB's, although the highs will never be the same with a 65 watter... although I still think all these speakers are too smooth for that jailbreak Ac/dc sound, on plexi mode...

 

[RockStarNick]

I just scored a GREAT deal on a mint used Bogner 112 Shiva size cab... and I've got a 100W M75 that's ready to be loaded in there.

Most likely going to sell the Celestion Classic Lead 80 that is currently in it.

 

[RoidRage]

I liked the Bottom Cab Better... Less Spikey.

Great Choice in music BTW!

Good Job!

Roid RAGE

 

[richedie]

So what are you guys liking today...still Scumbacks?

I know a lot of guys who used Scumbacks but said they missed the thick, juicy mids of V30s so they went back to V30s and other Celestions!