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Hello guys,

I'm new to the forum but had to post. I am seriously considering either a VH4 or a Herbert. I got a chance to play a VH4 recently and absolutely LOVED the tone but was a little scared of the "compressed" nature of channel 3 and 4 which lead me to investigate the Herbert. The reason I even got into Diezel gear to begin with was because of Adam Jones so I guess thats what I'm after but I'd love more flexibility. I have a Dual Recto which I can't wait to get rid of...I'm over it. Its a big purchase and its keeping me up at night!! :scared: What do you guys think?
 
I think if you want to sound like Tool you should get a VH4, although Herbert pretty much nails it too.
 
I guess you should ask yourself what do you want to play?

ALL diezels will do tool.....of course VH4 IS tool....right? :P heheh Don't be afraid of the compress characteristic in the vh4......it's a GREAT sounding amp. But if you REALLY feel it's too compressed for you.............go with the Herbert, but beware......it's more modern sounding (will sound more "rectoish" then the VH4) if you will....

Look into the Einstein....it's a MOSTER and will cover Tool/metallica/pantera/ ANYTHING amazingly well.
 
Thanks guys. I definitely cover a ton of Tool so thats why my primary thinking was VH4. Which is what I think I'll end up with. I was a little worried about the Herbert being too modern-metal sounding so thanks for the input. I'm really looking to get away from the recto vibe for a bit. Don't get me wrong its a great amp but I was blown away big time by the Diezel when I tried it out. Lots of character and control. I'm going to try to find a Herbert and maybe an Einstein to play before I make the final decision. :thumbsup:
 
I was in the same situation as you. Which Diezel do I buy? I ended up buying a Herbert, without even trying it. My concern was that I didn't want a pure metal amp. After reading a lot of reviews I was convinced, and they are pretty acurate. The Herbert covers a wide variety of styles with authority. The last track I completed on the Herbert was a pop ballad. BTW it lives in my rack next to a Slo 100, XtC 100b and a CAE OD100. I haven't tried a VH4 but I'm not that keen on compression either.
 
You have to try the Herbert before getting the VH4. It's not rectoish. Make up your own mind. Reading reviews is one thing, but actually hearing the amp is somewhat different, and your ears should be the judge if you're gonna invest that much money.
 
scottph":1789mcbj said:
You have to try the Herbert before getting the VH4. It's not rectoish. Make up your own mind. Reading reviews is one thing, but actually hearing the amp is somewhat different, and your ears should be the judge if you're gonna invest that much money.
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You think it sounds too modern & rectoish? It's true that you can make it sound rectifier like, but it's not rectoish. Turn that midcut off & that's Tool sound right in your face.
 
Definitely... Herbert is NOT rectoish AT ALL !!! You cant even compare them !!! As they have told, you can get a recto sound from the herbert... BUT that's just one of its million possibilities... I never hear a "recto" when I play my herbert... believe me.

As everybody has told ya... if you can, try it, compare it with the vh4 and then decide..

In any case, I KNOW that you wont go wrong with any choise, VH4 is amazing... and Herbert is.. well, Amazing as HELL :). (there is no good or bad in this choice,, just great and great)
 
If you get the chance try them out by all means. Unfortunately I didn't have the opportunity to try any. Hence my reference in my last post regarding reviews.
 
+1 on what everybody has said. What I meant with the "rectoish" comment, is that between the VH4/Einstein/Herbert, the herbert has the more "modern scooped mids" type of tone that's very common in Rectos......hense the "rectoish characteristics" I was refering too. But like other have said, the Herbert is far from being a recto.
 
The Einstein isn't as sonically large as the Herbert, and not as tight as the VH4. You can get Adam Jones tones out of it all day and compared to the Recto it's just better. Not quite as much low end (go Herbert for that) although there's plenty and much more definition...
 
Man, the Einstein is a little beast!

I love this amp.....

By the way...mine seems to REALLY like my 85 EMG.........I'm yet to try it with passive high output pickups......

which one you guys recommend?

It sounds INCREDIBLE with my P90s and my strat single coils :D
 
imho, the Herbert has a "saturation" that is usually associated with metal tones like those derived from Bogner Ubershalls and Rectifiers. the VH4 is more pure. they have two different voicings...

incidentally, why is everyone always trying to get sounds already achieved by other bands/guitarists... shouldn't people find their own sounds?
 
nbarts":2565ai1y said:
... shouldn't people find their own sounds?
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Thank You :cheers:
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That's why I bought a Diezel, because it's not difficult to create "your" sound out of them.

I could never see really getting a bands sound....

Unless it's EVH's VHI/VHII sound, that's one badass guitar tone that I could do a hell of a lot with!
 
I know, it is such a tricky thing because you have to reference specific players and styles of music to get across what tone your thinking of to other people. When in reality it really is all about your own tone and style. But I got bored with the recto a little quicker than I thought I would. I spend alot of time and money on my gear and I'm pretty critical so I want to make the right choice. One of my "not so close" friends has a Herbert. I am going to convince him to let me try it. Then I will feel much more comfortable. Thanks for the feedback guys...much appreciated!
 
that's the best thing to do man. Try a Herbert, then see if you can try a VH4 and an Einstein, but trying the herbert will clear off a lot of doubt for ya.

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I think it's normal for musicians to try and mimic the sound of their heroes. It's ok as long as that doesn't last A LONG time......we've all been through that phase right? That's how we ALL find our own sounds initially......trying to copy others.
 
Playing yourself is a good idea, but I don't think you can have some real knowledge about Herbert even if you spend a few days having it in your place. Up until 2 weeks ago I was convinced I needed a VH4 & I was day to day basis to pull the trigger & I've owned Herbert for a long time now. Than I've switched the midcut off & started doing some "weird" things with EQ. Guess what? I've covered most of what VH4 does. A few days ago I've got FX40B & ran in front of the amp. That was like a new magic, VH4 Cleans out of Herbert & some! Second channel of Herbert turned into some workhouse with EQ & boost in front of it. If you own a Hebert you owe yourself trying this, you WILL be surprised. It will sound nothing like Ubershall saturation, I'm telling you. A few hours of tweaking & under 50$ EQ saved me money that I'm going to use on XTC now. Of course I'm planning to get VH4 too at some point, but it is not going to add much to my arsenal.


I shouldn't be on Diezel forum :lol: :LOL: They are going to ban me.... :scared: ....
 
Thats some good info. The fx40b is such a great pedal for a good price. Man I'm so torn!
 
A man whose opinion I respect said some good things about MXR M-108. I hope I'm gonna have one here soon, I'll see how it compares to DOD. MXR is all analog circuit, although I have do say DOD digital has it's own very sweet vibe that I dig.
 
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