bass into guitar amp (bman) question

[broknstuff]

I've heard the bman module is good for running bass through it, but would you need to hook up the amp to a bass speaker? I've heard you can run a guitar into a bass amp fine, but should be careful of running a bass into a guitar amp for speaker reasons or something. Anyone care to help answer if it's fact or myth?

Also, it'd be ideal to use a high wattage amp for the bass when possible right?

 

[marvcus]

You will blow a guitar speaker if you try to play bass through it.

You need either a bass speaker or full-range (P.A.) speaker.

 

[aeroic]

You will blow a guitar speaker if you try to play bass through it.

You need either a bass speaker or full-range (P.A.) speaker.

I don't necessarily agree with this. Some of the best bass tones have been recorded w/ guitar speakers. I wouldn't use guitar speakers as my bass rig, but if you look at DeLeo from STP, he gets a lot of his recorded bass tones running through an old marshall amp into a 4x12. I ran my bass through the BMAN and the T/D and it sounds great. I did some recording with it a while back, and it sat in the mix for the upper mids and highs really well. I do use pretty high wattage speakers (75 - 100 watts) so that definitely helps.

As far as running bass tones through the T/D and BMAN, I know Dug Pinnick of King's X is using an M4 for his mids / high end tone on tour. And he's got one of the biggest bass tones on earth!

 

[marvcus]

To each his own, but I had a 5150 4x12 cab that had a few speaker amputations because I "thought it would sound cool."

 

[blumuz123]

It seems volume/watts would determine if a speaker could not handle bass

 

[blumuz123]

You will blow a guitar speaker if you try to play bass through it.

You need either a bass speaker or full-range (P.A.) speaker.

I don't necessarily agree with this. Some of the best bass tones have been recorded w/ guitar speakers. I wouldn't use guitar speakers as my bass rig, but if you look at DeLeo from STP, he gets a lot of his recorded bass tones running through an old marshall amp into a 4x12. I ran my bass through the BMAN and the T/D and it sounds great. I did some recording with it a while back, and it sat in the mix for the upper mids and highs really well. I do use pretty high wattage speakers (75 - 100 watts) so that definitely helps.

As far as running bass tones through the T/D and BMAN, I know Dug Pinnick of King's X is using an M4 for his mids / high end tone on tour. And he's got one of the biggest bass tones on earth!

I'm thinking of doing this for live application. does Dug use something else in addition to the Bman and t/D?
you wrote that he uses the bman and t/d for mids and highs. what about the bottom and what amp/watts does he use?

I am thinking I could I mix a E2 bman and t/d into one power amp then into an 8X10 cab? and, i may try some tonebras to get Volume/clarity without the beam
I am also going to try the vox.

anyone have any other thoughts?

 

[aeroic]

You will blow a guitar speaker if you try to play bass through it.

You need either a bass speaker or full-range (P.A.) speaker.

I don't necessarily agree with this. Some of the best bass tones have been recorded w/ guitar speakers. I wouldn't use guitar speakers as my bass rig, but if you look at DeLeo from STP, he gets a lot of his recorded bass tones running through an old marshall amp into a 4x12. I ran my bass through the BMAN and the T/D and it sounds great. I did some recording with it a while back, and it sat in the mix for the upper mids and highs really well. I do use pretty high wattage speakers (75 - 100 watts) so that definitely helps.

As far as running bass tones through the T/D and BMAN, I know Dug Pinnick of King's X is using an M4 for his mids / high end tone on tour. And he's got one of the biggest bass tones on earth!

I'm thinking of doing this for live application. does Dug use something else in addition to the Bman and t/D?
you wrote that he uses the bman and t/d for mids and highs. what about the bottom and what amp/watts does he use?

I am thinking I could I mix a E2 bman and t/d into one power amp then into an 8X10 cab? and, i may try some tonebras to get Volume/clarity without the beam
I am also going to try the vox.

anyone have any other thoughts?

I know in the past he always used one amp for the highs / upper mids, and used another for the rest of the tone. I know it was some sort of Ampeg for the lows and low mids. I know now he's using the M4 to replace that small amp. Not sure what if anything he's using for the rumble and low mids. Jeff could let us know .

He runs them through a few 8x10s and they sound awesome! I'll tell ya man, if I were a touring bassist, I'd get a Sansamp and a Avalon DI and run them through a good power amp. I record w/ my Sansamp "affected out" running direct to the board, and run my "unaffected out" to my Universal Audio LA-610 to get the "beef". Have it compressed a fair amount and have it EQ'ed for the low end. I LOVE the bass tone I get that way. Add a 8x10 and a big power amp, and that's what I would use live if I were a touring bassist. Pretty similar to what Geddy Lee does live and in the studio.

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

Dugs rig is the M4 with bman and T/D for mids and highs. SVP pre amp for low end. Each unit goes into a 32 band and if its the M4 all the low end is pulled down and if its the SVP all the high end is pulled down or out. It then is sent to his power and to the cabs!

 

[broknstuff]

So seems like a separate bass speaker or cabinet would be necessary. For bass a solid state poweramp should do just fine right?

 

[vjd3]

It seems volume/watts would determine if a speaker could not handle bass

I run a 2X12 cabinet with a pair of 8-ohm JBL E-120s for my guitar rig. These speakers can handle 300 watts each. They are clean, period, and do not break up at all.

I have a tiny 6-pound Acoustic Image Focus class D power amp, which pushes 800 watts into 4 ohms. I play clean, with a LOT of headroom. (And it's a lot lighter than the 400 watt Crown I was lugging around before.)

Typically, at a gig, I'll use the D side of the T/D, gain on 4, master on 8. M4's master is at noon. If I put the power amp's master on 4, it's loud enough to play lead guitar in a 400-capacity room with nothing through the mains. In other words, it's LOUD and projects like hell. In my 20 x 20 home studio, the volume on 2 is deafening,

Just the other day, I plugged a bass into the rig, had the power amp master on 10, and the volume through the E-120s was just barely loud enough to handle a rehearsal in a small room and I was worried about blowing the E-120s. (I should point out that the Focus power amp is designed primarily for bass, although it's nice and warm for guitar.)

I think it has everything to do with the cabinet and efficient speakers, and not so much with the preamp and power amps. Just having speakers that can handle a ton of watts doesn't make for a good bass cabinet.

 

[aeroic]

So seems like a separate bass speaker or cabinet would be necessary. For bass a solid state poweramp should do just fine right?

That is correct. My old bass player used to use a really good QSC power amp with a similar setup to what Dug is doing. Used the Sansamp for mids / highs -> dumped it to a EQ to kill the low end and ran another signal into a tube preamp compressed it a fair amount -> dumped it to a another EQ to kill the upper mids and highs. Used a line level mixer to mix the tone and send them to the power amp. Worked awesome!

Eric

 

[jlbaxe]

Great... ..Thanks Alot!!! I wasnt going to buy a bass because i thought i didnt have a preamp and amp. That was my whole reason for not getting one. Damn you all (charleston heston voice).

 

[broknstuff]

Great... ..Thanks Alot!!! I wasnt going to buy a bass because i thought i didnt have a preamp and amp. That was my whole reason for not getting one. Damn you all (charleston heston voice).

Now you just need the speakers and you're good to go.

 

[Fallout Labs]

i recorded a bass with the t/d module, best bass tone i've heard in a long time

 

[EWSEthan]

i recorded a bass with the t/d module, best bass tone i've heard in a long time

Do you go direct to the board with the mic eliminator?

 

[Fallout Labs]

i recorded a bass with the t/d module, best bass tone i've heard in a long time

Do you go direct to the board with the mic eliminator?

the cab was mic'd and palmer di'd

 

[broknstuff]

i recorded a bass with the t/d module, best bass tone i've heard in a long time

Do you go direct to the board with the mic eliminator?

the cab was mic'd and palmer di'd

What cab/speaker did you use?

 

[Fallout Labs]

What cab/speaker did you use?

egnater 1x12