Benefits of using RT2/50 & M4 over RM100?

[fek]

Besides the obvious extra module slot and 2 channel modules. I have been searching for an amp to keep for a while and the module concept has me intrigued enough to go that route. I also like the idea of being able to play with power tubes without having to go to a tech.

Are there really any big advantages or disadvantages between the two set ups other than what I listed above?

 

[jmgman69]

Besides the obvious extra module slot and 2 channel modules. I have been searching for an amp to keep for a while and the module concept has me intrigued enough to go that route. I also like the idea of being able to play with power tubes without having to go to a tech.

Are there really any big advantages or disadvantages between the two set ups other than what I listed above?

No.And besides,they will upgrade the RM to dual if you like.As far as the quailty may be concerned,it's debatable but for sound it's AAAAALLLLLL GGGGGOOOOOOODDDDDDDD!2 cents worth.Oh and the RT you can switch between tubes if you like so a tad more versatile but I run it at full speed ahead

 

[rockridge98]

Stereo! You haven't lived until you've heard stereo delay with an M4 into a good stereo tube power amp through
a stereo 4x12.

 

[aeroic]

Stereo! You haven't lived until you've heard stereo delay with an M4 into a good stereo tube power amp through
a stereo 4x12.

I agree 100% here. That's the reason why I still use a stereo power amp. Ping pong delays...modulation effects that pan L -> R..etc etc...all killer! I run my rig w/ 2 2x12s...and it's friggin HUGE sounding

 

[Audioholic]

STEREO!!!

FX just don't sound the same after you have gone stereo, and it records so much more in 3d this way imo

 

[fek]

Stereo. The obvious other option that I wasn't thinking about. I guess if I can find some nicely kept used pieces when the time comes then back to a rack I go!

 

[Zaphod B]

The RT2/50 has front panel power tube bias adjustment, so you can play with power tubes to your heart's content.

 

[hotlicks2go]

I have a Rt250 and Eggy M4.. it is versitle and sounds great... good combo. But my Mod 100 takes 1st for me. There's something magical that happens in a head that I just don't feel with pre/power amp combo. Although I would never know if not for having both to judge.

 

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[jmgman69]

I've got to agree with hotlicks.
In my quest for 'grailtone', I've played Mod50's, Mod100's, M4 RT2/50's, M4 2/90/2's and all the Randall equivalents. I personally feel that although the rack is more flexible, the heads have a certain "presence" to them that the rack combos lack.
Perhaps it's the cable factor.
Perhaps it's bigger transformers.
Perhaps I'm imagining things.

take care,
Russ

I don't think your imagining things Russ or hotlicks,just saying

 

[rockridge98]

I have a Rt250 and Eggy M4.. it is versitle and sounds great... good combo. But my Mod 100 takes 1st for me. There's something magical that happens in a head that I just don't feel with pre/power amp combo. Although I would never know if not for having both to judge.

I agree that racks and heads have a slightly different sound, and heads often do seem to have a little more presence
and punch than racks. I'm used to the sound of a rack but I can definitely hear what you are talking about.
So the solution is obvious: buy 2 RM100's and run them in stereo .

 

[jmgman69]

I have a Rt250 and Eggy M4.. it is versitle and sounds great... good combo. But my Mod 100 takes 1st for me. There's something magical that happens in a head that I just don't feel with pre/power amp combo. Although I would never know if not for having both to judge.

I agree that racks and heads have a slightly different sound, and heads often do seem to have a little more presence
and punch than racks. I'm used to the sound of a rack but I can definitely hear what you are talking about.
So the solution is obvious: buy 2 RM100's and run them in stereo .

 

[chickenoolie]

Question for those with stereo Egnater rigs:

Do you find yourself playing more with just stereo effects (single preamp signal split for delays or pans)

Or

Playing with two preamp sounds? Doesn't have to be egnater. Maybe you pair up the eggie with another amp, etc.

This second concept of running two amp voicings at the the same time is intriguing, but like a lot of things that seem cool with guitar - if you don't see people doing it, there's usually a reason.

I should mention that my genre is not heavy rhythm tones. I'm aware of the mixing of different hi gain amps to create huge rhythm sounds. I'm just wondering if running a T/D and V/X on the A channels, is worth dealing with two heads.

Or any other combination - VX/B and SHM together for mid-gain rhythm, etc.

Stereo rig is undoubtedly awesome, but is there merit in actually having two preamps simultaneously?

thanks for any experience, input, and wisdom.

Nick

 

[broknstuff]

Question for those with stereo Egnater rigs:

Do you find yourself playing more with just stereo effects (single preamp signal split for delays or pans)

Or

Playing with two preamp sounds? Doesn't have to be egnater. Maybe you pair up the eggie with another amp, etc.

This second concept of running two amp voicings at the the same time is intriguing, but like a lot of things that seem cool with guitar - if you don't see people doing it, there's usually a reason.

I should mention that my genre is not heavy rhythm tones. I'm aware of the mixing of different hi gain amps to create huge rhythm sounds. I'm just wondering if running a T/D and V/X on the A channels, is worth dealing with two heads.

Or any other combination - VX/B and SHM together for mid-gain rhythm, etc.

Stereo rig is undoubtedly awesome, but is there merit in actually having two preamps simultaneously?

thanks for any experience, input, and wisdom.

Nick

I've done it once just messing around at home with my mod50 and rebel, and it sounded fricken awesome!! I had one amp set to a mid-high gain, and the other set pretty clean, and they were fairly far apart in the room (both again different walls...one on the East wall, one on the North wall, both facing me). Even at a super quiet volume it sounded incredible. You couldn't tell that one amp was set completely clean, but it just gave it even more definition. And even then they came from pretty different sources in space, it didn't sound like two different things coming at me...rather like one large sound coming at me from all sides..if that makes any sense.

Hell, I even did the same thing with two micro cubes set to fairly clean and it sounded kickin'. Had a lot of fun with stereo delays.

It may not be very practical live, but it's really fun at home or at practice when you have more time.

There are a few ways to do this too; I'm going to try using a switchblade with my m4 and mod50 and try blending two different preamp tones into the mod50 poweramp. I'm excited to see what it sounds like, but I think part of the magic is having two different power/speaker sources. My next goal in my rig is to mess around with all these possibilities

 

[muudrock]

Question for those with stereo Egnater rigs:

Do you find yourself playing more with just stereo effects (single preamp signal split for delays or pans)

Or

Playing with two preamp sounds? Doesn't have to be egnater. Maybe you pair up the eggie with another amp, etc.

This second concept of running two amp voicings at the the same time is intriguing, but like a lot of things that seem cool with guitar - if you don't see people doing it, there's usually a reason.

I should mention that my genre is not heavy rhythm tones. I'm aware of the mixing of different hi gain amps to create huge rhythm sounds. I'm just wondering if running a T/D and V/X on the A channels, is worth dealing with two heads.

Or any other combination - VX/B and SHM together for mid-gain rhythm, etc.

Stereo rig is undoubtedly awesome, but is there merit in actually having two preamps simultaneously?

thanks for any experience, input, and wisdom.

Nick

I do it with my Mod 50 and the M4 rack. It sounds huge and allows alot of cool textures. Certain modules are out of phase with each other so not all combinations are possible. I haven't done it with a non-egnater amp so I can't comment on that, but I'm sure it would sound good.
It's just not practicle in most cases, at least for me.

 

[Anonymous]

Stereo rig is undoubtedly awesome, but is there merit in actually having two preamps simultaneously

It's something you really have to try. Right now I have a Deluxe and Treadplate (modded to Grail specs) that I'm switching in conjunction with my VX, BMAN, and EG5. The honest to goodness downside of running two modular pre's IMO is getting the volumes where they need to be. Too many master volumes. With an RM4 and M4 you can lock in 32 unique amp combinations which is unparalleled in the analog world. I've been tweaking for months now and just finally getting everything dialed in. EG5 + Grailplate with gains around 11 is total sonic bliss.

 

[jlbaxe]

I have been running 2 amps (mesa MKIII, ADAmp1 carvin amp) since the early 90's. I kept the mesa on clean and would switch the MP1 from clean to Overdrive. I still do this but use the Mod50/100 mono, M4 RT2/50 Stereo (3 speaker cabs)now. delays, panning and chorus/flange are just awesome.

There is something about the RM100 that Brings more life into the Eggy modules. I think the power section is tighter and the Mod50 has more vintage sag, looser. All are designed by Bruce so how can you go wrong.

If they build it.... we will buy!

 

[jmgman69]

I have been running 2 amps (mesa MKIII, ADAmp1 carvin amp) since the early 90's. I kept the mesa on clean and would switch the MP1 from clean to Overdrive. I still do this but use the Mod50/100 mono, M4 RT2/50 Stereo (3 speaker cabs)now. delays, panning and chorus/flange are just awesome.

There is something about the RM100 that Brings more life into the Eggy modules. I think the power section is tighter and the Mod50 has more vintage sag, looser. All are designed by Bruce so how can you go wrong.

If they build it.... we will buy!

 

[chickenoolie]

I have a Rt250 and Eggy M4.. it is versitle and sounds great... good combo. But my Mod 100 takes 1st for me. There's something magical that happens in a head that I just don't feel with pre/power amp combo. Although I would never know if not for having both to judge.

On the head vs. preamp/power amp issue: Anyone noticed any differences if you slave to the power section of a different head? So, let's say I have the switching set up to isolate the preamp and power amp sections of two MOD50's or two RM100's. So I can use MIDI switching to hit either preamp with either power amp - am I going to lose the mojo that's been discussed about going with a head over a preamp/power amp rack unit?

thanks
Nick