Bogner Says: All Uber Revisions are the same.

[Trippled]

So I emailed Bogner amps and asked about the difference between the current blue revision
and the 1st and 2nd revisions.

Here is what he stated: "Blue revision Uber is same as Original, just a different color pc board with a slightly different layout, same audio circuit, only difference new pots for gain so it is better controllable".

I keep hearing people saying that the blue revision is alot brighter anbd less compressed
and that kinda stops me from ordering a new blue rev from bogner.

Did sanyone here truely had both revisions and found that he cant get the blue to sound like
the older?

Discuss.

Daniel.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

It's not really in Bogner's best interest to give you the low down on the differences except in generalities, I'm not suprised at the canned response you received.

I've had 3 different revisions and they all sounded different, but at the same time they all had that characteristic Uber sound if you will.

Everyone will perceive the differences as greater or smaller, only you can determine where on the sliding scale you will land in that regard.

 

[sswanson]

I have a revision Blue on the way right now so I'd like to hear people's opinions as well. I've had amps of the exact same model that sound very different from one another so I feel like the differences between the different uber revisions are probably exaggerated. There are too many factors that will change the sound of an amp and I'm sure the Blue will sound good regardless.

 

[Trippled]

Well I cant really hear any revision but I know I liked alot of clips I've heard
of various revisions including TJ.

What would you recommend to do?

 

[jlbaxe]

I have a Rev Blue, Mod'd by Cameron with the Shiva clean and something on channel 2 and a added Boost (also boost switch on the pedal) The best cleans of all my amps and Channel 2 nails "Man in the Box" I cant say if it is like any other but you can hear Matt Henderson using it on the Bogner site clips.

 

[russellconner]

So I emailed Bogner amps and asked about the difference between the current blue revision
and the 1st and 2nd revisions.

Here is what he stated: "Blue revision Uber is same as Original, just a different color pc board with a slightly different layout, same audio circuit, only difference new pots for gain so it is better controllable".

I keep hearing people saying that the blue revision is alot brighter anbd less compressed
and that kinda stops me from ordering a new blue rev from bogner.

Did sanyone here truely had both revisions and found that he cant get the blue to sound like
the older?

Discuss.

Daniel.

Since I'm lazy, I will just echo Death by Uberschall's response to this question from another thread:

This is the basic rundown of the Uberschalls:

Original - Fast gain taper on Gain Channel (some have said almost like an Off/On kind of jump in gain), high plate voltage, good power section compression/sag when pushed, Clean Channel volume slightly lower than Gain Channel by comparison, plastic carry handle (although some Original Uberschalls got the leather handle just prior to transitioning into the Rev2), EL34

Rev2 - Reduced gain taper on Gain Channel (same gain, just more controllable), high plate voltage, good power section compression/sag when pushed, Clean Channel volume slightly lower than Gain Channel by comparison, leather carry handle, EL34

Revision Blue - Same basic gain structure, lower plate voltage, less power section compression/sag when pushed, Clean Channel volume matched closer to Gain Channel, re-design of circuits, addition of Loop volume control, bias test points, power jewel changed to smaller LED type, dedicated design ability to allow power section slaving from an outside source (but this can be accomplished on Original/Rev2 versions), EL34

Twin Jet 1.0 - Gain Channel re-design in a direction towards the Original/Rev2 designs, plate voltage unknown at this time so I can't say, less power section compression (due to the design switch to KT88 power tubes), Clean channel re-do in the direction of a high gain modded Marshall tone with very little ability to get a truly clean sound, addition of power section Presence and Depth controls, KT88

Twin Jet 1.1 - The same as 1.0 but with a modded gain taper on the clean channel, same level of gain available as 1.0 with the ability to go lower gain and clean up better

Now keep in mind, I made up TJ 1.0/1.1 for the purpose of comparison , I don't think Bogner looks at them that way. Bogner does offer to perform the Clean Channel mod for anybody who owns what I call 1.0 at no charge.

These are the main differences I know about. I don't know specific component values between the different versions from a design stand point, but I can say my descriptions above, for the most part, are right on the money by way of research, comparisons and the general consensus from those who have had time with them. The volume difference between the Clean Channel and Gain Channel on the Original and Rev2 seem to be exaggerated. Yes there is a difference, but nothing that can't be fixed by just turning the Clean Channel Volume control up a little more than the Gain Channel volume control. Another words, adjust the amp with you ears, not your eyes.

The only thing I might add to this, based on my experience, is that the Rev. 2 seemed to be more organic and 3-dimensional. It seemed like the Blue I played might have been a little tighter, but didnt have quite the low end depth or smooth highs that my Rev. 2 has. Please note I have only heard the Rev. 2 and Blue versions, the new TJ's might have advantages of their own, based on your preferences.

russell

 

[Trippled]

So I emailed Bogner amps and asked about the difference between the current blue revision
and the 1st and 2nd revisions.

Here is what he stated: "Blue revision Uber is same as Original, just a different color pc board with a slightly different layout, same audio circuit, only difference new pots for gain so it is better controllable".

I keep hearing people saying that the blue revision is alot brighter anbd less compressed
and that kinda stops me from ordering a new blue rev from bogner.

Did sanyone here truely had both revisions and found that he cant get the blue to sound like
the older?

Discuss.

Daniel.

Since I'm lazy, I will just echo Death by Uberschall's response to this question from another thread:

This is the basic rundown of the Uberschalls:

Original - Fast gain taper on Gain Channel (some have said almost like an Off/On kind of jump in gain), high plate voltage, good power section compression/sag when pushed, Clean Channel volume slightly lower than Gain Channel by comparison, plastic carry handle (although some Original Uberschalls got the leather handle just prior to transitioning into the Rev2), EL34

Rev2 - Reduced gain taper on Gain Channel (same gain, just more controllable), high plate voltage, good power section compression/sag when pushed, Clean Channel volume slightly lower than Gain Channel by comparison, leather carry handle, EL34

Revision Blue - Same basic gain structure, lower plate voltage, less power section compression/sag when pushed, Clean Channel volume matched closer to Gain Channel, re-design of circuits, addition of Loop volume control, bias test points, power jewel changed to smaller LED type, dedicated design ability to allow power section slaving from an outside source (but this can be accomplished on Original/Rev2 versions), EL34

Twin Jet 1.0 - Gain Channel re-design in a direction towards the Original/Rev2 designs, plate voltage unknown at this time so I can't say, less power section compression (due to the design switch to KT88 power tubes), Clean channel re-do in the direction of a high gain modded Marshall tone with very little ability to get a truly clean sound, addition of power section Presence and Depth controls, KT88

Twin Jet 1.1 - The same as 1.0 but with a modded gain taper on the clean channel, same level of gain available as 1.0 with the ability to go lower gain and clean up better

Now keep in mind, I made up TJ 1.0/1.1 for the purpose of comparison , I don't think Bogner looks at them that way. Bogner does offer to perform the Clean Channel mod for anybody who owns what I call 1.0 at no charge.

These are the main differences I know about. I don't know specific component values between the different versions from a design stand point, but I can say my descriptions above, for the most part, are right on the money by way of research, comparisons and the general consensus from those who have had time with them. The volume difference between the Clean Channel and Gain Channel on the Original and Rev2 seem to be exaggerated. Yes there is a difference, but nothing that can't be fixed by just turning the Clean Channel Volume control up a little more than the Gain Channel volume control. Another words, adjust the amp with you ears, not your eyes.

The only thing I might add to this, based on my experience, is that the Rev. 2 seemed to be more organic and 3-dimensional. It seemed like the Blue I played might have been a little tighter, but didnt have quite the low end depth or smooth highs that my Rev. 2 has. Please note I have only heard the Rev. 2 and Blue versions, the new TJ's might have advantages of their own, based on your preferences.

russell

I saw his comment, it doesnt really answer my question though.

I've heard that TJ is more like the first uber, I'd go for that but I need a decent clean channel
and I hear mixed opinions about TJ's clean channel.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

The only thing I might add to this, based on my experience, is that the Rev. 2 seemed to be more organic and 3-dimensional. It seemed like the Blue I played might have been a little tighter, but didnt have quite the low end depth or smooth highs that my Rev. 2 has. Please note I have only heard the Rev. 2 and Blue versions, the new TJ's might have advantages of their own, based on your preferences.

russell

The Rev 2 is darker and more 3 dimensional than the Blue from my experience, I agree.

 

[Death by Uberschall]

What I posted, some came from Bogner when I talked to a tech there explaining what type of sound and feel I wanted from my amp, some came from research based on real world opinions, including mine. In explaining to the Bogner tech what type of tone and feel I wanted, he gave me the details to help me choose wisely. I chose wisely.

There is a difference between the Original and Rev2 when compared to the Blue. Bogner even states the TJ gain channel was modeled after the Original/Rev2 design, so there must be some truth to the design differences.

 

[se7en]

So I emailed Bogner amps and asked about the difference between the current blue revision
and the 1st and 2nd revisions.

Here is what he stated: "Blue revision Uber is same as Original, just a different color pc board with a slightly different layout, same audio circuit, only difference new pots for gain so it is better controllable".

I keep hearing people saying that the blue revision is alot brighter anbd less compressed
and that kinda stops me from ordering a new blue rev from bogner.

Did sanyone here truely had both revisions and found that he cant get the blue to sound like
the older?

Discuss.

Daniel.

Since I'm lazy, I will just echo Death by Uberschall's response to this question from another thread:

This is the basic rundown of the Uberschalls:

Original - Fast gain taper on Gain Channel (some have said almost like an Off/On kind of jump in gain), high plate voltage, good power section compression/sag when pushed, Clean Channel volume slightly lower than Gain Channel by comparison, plastic carry handle (although some Original Uberschalls got the leather handle just prior to transitioning into the Rev2), EL34

Rev2 - Reduced gain taper on Gain Channel (same gain, just more controllable), high plate voltage, good power section compression/sag when pushed, Clean Channel volume slightly lower than Gain Channel by comparison, leather carry handle, EL34

Revision Blue - Same basic gain structure, lower plate voltage, less power section compression/sag when pushed, Clean Channel volume matched closer to Gain Channel, re-design of circuits, addition of Loop volume control, bias test points, power jewel changed to smaller LED type, dedicated design ability to allow power section slaving from an outside source (but this can be accomplished on Original/Rev2 versions), EL34

Twin Jet 1.0 - Gain Channel re-design in a direction towards the Original/Rev2 designs, plate voltage unknown at this time so I can't say, less power section compression (due to the design switch to KT88 power tubes), Clean channel re-do in the direction of a high gain modded Marshall tone with very little ability to get a truly clean sound, addition of power section Presence and Depth controls, KT88

Twin Jet 1.1 - The same as 1.0 but with a modded gain taper on the clean channel, same level of gain available as 1.0 with the ability to go lower gain and clean up better

Now keep in mind, I made up TJ 1.0/1.1 for the purpose of comparison , I don't think Bogner looks at them that way. Bogner does offer to perform the Clean Channel mod for anybody who owns what I call 1.0 at no charge.

These are the main differences I know about. I don't know specific component values between the different versions from a design stand point, but I can say my descriptions above, for the most part, are right on the money by way of research, comparisons and the general consensus from those who have had time with them. The volume difference between the Clean Channel and Gain Channel on the Original and Rev2 seem to be exaggerated. Yes there is a difference, but nothing that can't be fixed by just turning the Clean Channel Volume control up a little more than the Gain Channel volume control. Another words, adjust the amp with you ears, not your eyes.

The only thing I might add to this, based on my experience, is that the Rev. 2 seemed to be more organic and 3-dimensional. It seemed like the Blue I played might have been a little tighter, but didnt have quite the low end depth or smooth highs that my Rev. 2 has. Please note I have only heard the Rev. 2 and Blue versions, the new TJ's might have advantages of their own, based on your preferences.

russell

I saw his comment, it doesnt really answer my question though.

I've heard that TJ is more like the first uber, I'd go for that but I need a decent clean channel
and I hear mixed opinions about TJ's clean channel.

The TJ clean is decent. I could record a clip...what style clean are you going for, brah?

 

[Shiny_Surface]

There is a difference between the Original and Rev2 when compared to the Blue. Bogner even states the TJ gain channel was modeled after the Original/Rev2 design, so there must be some truth to the design differences.

The TJ doesn't really sound any closer to the Rev 2 than the Blue imo, it has it's own thing going on but still sounds great regardless.

Having said that I haven't played a Rev 2 in years, I wouldn't mind taking a refresher course actually for a more accurate comparison.

 

[Big Rich]

yea honestly i thought the twin jet sounded completely different than any other el34 uber ive heard, the feel of the twin jet is completely different

and the twin jets cleans were do-able but not great...you deff needed to add some pedals to give it some shimmer and thicken it up

heres a vid i did of my twin jets clean setting with a boss dd7 delay and ce5 chorus ensamble in the effects loop

my twin jet DID NOT have the clean mod to the first channel

 

[gbsmusic]

It's not really in Bogner's best interest to give you the low down on the differences except in generalities, I'm not suprised at the canned response you received.

I've had 3 different revisions and they all sounded different, but at the same time they all had that characteristic Uber sound if you will.

Everyone will perceive the differences as greater or smaller, only you can determine where on the sliding scale you will land in that regard.

This is very true. I've had 3 XTC's and didn't care for the voicing in the amps. I have a friend that has an older XTC (98) and his amp just sounds incredible. Bogner says that only the gain mod is different in the XTC's but its not true. I pulled the chassis of a newer one and his older one and there is different resistors and other things that I don't know what they are. I just bought a 98 XTC and this amp sounds just incredible!!!! Dont know why and I dont care. I'm just happy to finally have an XTC that I absolutely love!!