Bogner Uberkab vs 412ST

[Bad.Seed]

I'm looking at finally taking the plunge on an Uberkab, and since they never come up used around me or onling for fair price, I think I may just buy a new one.

That being said, I'm looking at the 412ST w/ salt and pepper grill, and the Uberkab in all black. From what I'm reading, they have the same construction, but the uberkab has v30/t75's front loaded, and the 412ST is rear loaded with all v30's

Anyone have experience with both? I'm conflicted on which to get, because I prefer the look and all v30 speakers in the 412st, but I currently don't own a front loaded cab among my wall, so it'd probably be good to have that as well.

 

[LunatiBSW]

I love front loaded cabs. I think they offer more cut and presence.
I have (3) front loaded cabs currently, my only rear loaded is the Friedman monster cab.
Bogner cabs are great and well constructed.
I have an uberkab and it’s great for metal.
If you don’t have a front loaded cab yet, I’d def recommend adding one to your stable.
Especially if your a metalhead.
I’m on my second uberkab. They are rare on used market, if you wait long enough one may pop up.
I got a screaming deal on my current one, was in mint condition to boot.
You may get lucky if you wait it out.

Also, just another finding of mine:
Since were talking front load.
k100’s sound light years better in a front loaded cab than a rear load IMO.

 

[WizardSouth-JP]

I had both in the same room, both cabs were good - Uberkab for heavy stuff was great. Get an Orange 412 and pop 2 T75 in it and it's gonna be fuller and bigger sounding, and you can find a nice PPC412 for cheap usually.

 

[Bad.Seed]

I had both in the same room, both cabs were good - Uberkab for heavy stuff was great. Get an Orange 412 and pop 2 T75 in it and it's gonna be fuller and bigger sounding, and you can find a nice PPC412 for cheap usually.

Appreciate the advice, but I don't really dig the orange cabs. Plus, to me, they're as ugly as can be, haha. I have a ton of cabs at the moment, just looking at which Bogner would fit me best.

What would you say the main differences to your ears were between the 2 bogner cabs?

 

[Bad.Seed]

I love front loaded cabs. I think they offer more cut and presence.
I have (3) front loaded cabs currently, my only rear loaded is the Friedman monster cab.
Bogner cabs are great and well constructed.
I have an uberkab and it’s great for metal.
If you don’t have a front loaded cab yet, I’d def recommend adding one to your stable.
Especially if your a metalhead.
I’m on my second uberkab. They are rare on used market, if you wait long enough one may pop up.
I got a screaming deal on my current one, was in mint condition to boot.
You may get lucky if you wait it out.

Also, just another finding of mine:
Since were talking front load.
k100’s sound light years better in a front loaded cab than a rear load IMO.

Interesting! The k100 is my favorite speaker, But I only own rl cabs with them. Never heard or played them front loaded.

 

[Bad.Seed]

Any other opinions on these?

 

[RedB4Black]

pull the polyfiber batting off the back panel unless you like it to sound dead.

 

[reverymike]

I had the uberkab with my 101b and was able to trade it for a standard. Glad I did it. Both sounded really good though.

 

[Kagami]

I like my ubercab a lot but have never used one of their regular models. I'd imagine they'd let you order whatever option you want, they are pretty flexible, I'd give them a call. Last guy I talked to at Bogner was super nice and gave me my answer in like 30 seconds.

Here is spec option sheet but I imagine they can do other things if you need them: http://www.bogneramplification.com/manu ... 2specs.pdf The speakers are listed from the back so looking from front V30 is top left if you were wondering.

 

[misterspockyall]

pull the polyfiber batting off the back panel unless you like it to sound dead.

Have you done this? I have a Helios cab I have half a mind of trying it on

 

[GOHOINC]

Uberkabs can be either front or rear loaded depending on age. I dont remember what year they switched to front loaded but older ones are rear loaded. Ive had a couple 412st cabs and a rear loaded uber. I also used v30s and 75s in an x pattern in a front loaded diezel. My fave of them was the 412st, especially if you swap in a couple m65 creamback for 2 of the v30s, I dont really dig 75s. I play more hard rock than metal I suppose so your tastes might align more to the 75s. I definitely prefer rear loaded over front. Front was just always too bright and honky for me.

 

[RedB4Black]

pull the polyfiber batting off the back panel unless you like it to sound dead.

Have you done this? I have a Helios cab I have half a mind of trying it on

Yes. Sounds better without all the high-end being sucked out. It use to be my favorite cab because it was darker, but now my tastes have changed. I bought and sold another Bogner cab recently as it didn’t sound as good with the batting in it compared to my near identical Wizard cabs without.