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skracus
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Hi folks,
Which modules would get close to these two Bogner channels?
Thanks,
Steve
Which modules would get close to these two Bogner channels?
Thanks,
Steve
EWSEthan
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Probably SL2 loaded with 12AX7B chinese tubes.
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richedie
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EWSEthan":2te3pe0q said:
EXACTLY why I never bought the Pete modded XTC, the SL2 can get close enough.
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bikerdude2
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I would also say the SL2 is ballpark.
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skracus
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Thanks!
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Guitarvc
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The SL2 will nail it. Especially because the compression is the same. I use Celestion G12-65's and it sounds like my old XTC
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richedie
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Funny, I thought the SL2 sounded a lot like the Randall (Pete modded) XTC.
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richedie
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GUys, how about the Bogner Shiva???? SL2 as well?
EWSEthan
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Yeah, SL2 is as close as you will get to Shiva. I think it sounds closer to XTC Red than Shiva though. And while Shiva has a great sound when turned up enough to get past the fizziness, I still prefer XTC so to me this is a good thing. 
Trust me on this. Nick used to have a Shiva and every week at rehearsal it was him through Shiva, me through SL2.
Trust me on this. Nick used to have a Shiva and every week at rehearsal it was him through Shiva, me through SL2.
RockStarNick
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Yeah, the SL2 is definitely MORE "XTC-like" than "Shiva-like". But it can get close to the medium-gain levels of the Shiva too.
I really think the secret is those Chinese tubes. I remember replacing the stock chinese tubes in my Shiva with JJs, thinking that I "upgraded", and didn't like it at all. It didn't sound like a Bogner anymore. Then I tried EH tubes. Same thing. Threw the chinese tubes back in: bang, the Shiva was back. It was very strange.
Bogner isn't lying when they say that they designed the preamps around THOSE tubes. I think they realized that while they're not as rich sounding as some vintage preamp tubes, the Chinese tubes have a chewyness and a glassy spank that other tubes don't have. I think Bogner worked around these qualities and made amps that compliment those tubes.
Shiva vs. Mod50. Me and Matt did some extensive AB'ing of the two. And one of the things that finally made me sell my Shiva was the fact that you can get great useable sounds on all ends of the volume range. Not just cranked. The Mod50 sounds great even at lower master volume levels. In my opinion, for clubs that want to keep the stage volume way down, this is a must.
Don't get me wrong. The Shiva was pure magic when it was cranked, but I didnt' find THAT many real life situations when I could really crank it. And that was a big problem. The more and more I played that amp in real life scenarios, and had to mess with the wacky FX loop cables, etc, I realized how limited I was using that amp.
I really think the secret is those Chinese tubes. I remember replacing the stock chinese tubes in my Shiva with JJs, thinking that I "upgraded", and didn't like it at all. It didn't sound like a Bogner anymore. Then I tried EH tubes. Same thing. Threw the chinese tubes back in: bang, the Shiva was back. It was very strange.
Bogner isn't lying when they say that they designed the preamps around THOSE tubes. I think they realized that while they're not as rich sounding as some vintage preamp tubes, the Chinese tubes have a chewyness and a glassy spank that other tubes don't have. I think Bogner worked around these qualities and made amps that compliment those tubes.
Shiva vs. Mod50. Me and Matt did some extensive AB'ing of the two. And one of the things that finally made me sell my Shiva was the fact that you can get great useable sounds on all ends of the volume range. Not just cranked. The Mod50 sounds great even at lower master volume levels. In my opinion, for clubs that want to keep the stage volume way down, this is a must.
Don't get me wrong. The Shiva was pure magic when it was cranked, but I didnt' find THAT many real life situations when I could really crank it. And that was a big problem. The more and more I played that amp in real life scenarios, and had to mess with the wacky FX loop cables, etc, I realized how limited I was using that amp.