Bogner XTC anniversary modernity

[sonic]

OK now, i need to ask something that needs to be answered! ( lol ) .
I want to buy a bogner for my recording studio. I need both versatility so i thought about buying a xtc anniversary,
but i really need to be able to produce modern gain. The cleans are perfect, no problem there,
but i think that the uber has more modern gain. Can i achieve modernity thought the xtc anniversary?
THnx
constantine

 

[DEWD]

OK now, i need to ask something that needs to be answered! ( lol ) .
I want to buy a bogner for my recording studio. I need both versatility so i thought about buying a xtc anniversary,
but i really need to be able to produce modern gain. The cleans are perfect, no problem there,
but i think that the uber has more modern gain. Can i achieve modernity thought the xtc anniversary?
THnx
constantine

Modern hard rock? Yep.

Fast modern metal? There are better amps for that IMO. It's fun as hell to solo on though.

Define "modern gain" or list some bands you're thinking of and I can let you know what I think.

Also, don't forget the mid gain tones. The Blue channel is the real deal.

 

[Ventura]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... The 20thA is the best amp I've ever played. It does EVERYTHING perfectly and with enough sonic adjustment to suit ANYONE's needs. However, it goes from clean to mean, from clear to nuclear, but stops JUST at the point where the Uberschall kicks into its nu-metal compressed gain zone. So, for me? To be able to go from one very far end of the spectrum up to almost the last 15% of the opposite end of the spectrum, I am floored with its perfection/performance. BUT!! I have said this before - "it politely bows out of any major, nu-metal, gainier territory" typical of the Channel 2 Uberschall Twin Jet, but it does grab some of the gain of a Rev.Blue Channel 2 with the boost on Channel 3.

Depends how loud you play too. It would probably take an OCD quite nicely in the 2nd channel to give you a more nu-metal edge feel.

Hope this helps.

V.

 

[sonic]

korn Evolution is bogner sound. Heavy modern tight bogner sound.
I need brutality, roar and mega crunh that is like a razor.
thickenss but not looseness, agressiveness.
Can i dot it with the anniversary xtc?
Or even better for me. can i do it with the FFIISSHH?????

 

[se7en]

Korn used Bogner gear on Evolution?...If you're going for that kind of sound, then you'd be best off with an Uberschall...the Twin Jet can pull off some great crunch tones with the revoiced 1st channel. The Uberschall does nu-metal better than the XTC or Fish...the downside is that it doesn't have the degree of versatility of the other two, but how many amps do?...Most noticeable, the cleans aren't as lush, but are more than adequate for most needs.

 

[Bronco]

Korn used Bogner gear on Evolution?...If you're going for that kind of sound, then you'd be best off with an Uberschall...the Twin Jet can pull off some great crunch tones with the revoiced 1st channel. The Uberschall does nu-metal better than the XTC or Fish...the downside is that it doesn't have the degree of versatility of the other two, but how many amps do?...Most noticeable, the cleans aren't as lush, but are more than adequate for most needs.

This says it perfectly, right here. Couldn't agree more...

 

[sonic]

so how come anyone comment about the fish>?
I think the fish is really brutal and stiff. Stiffens is a very good thing if you know what to do with it.
I the fish can be a really tight growling razor gain monster. am i wrong?
plus it has all the versatility you need..
am i wrong?

 

[Ventura]

so how come anyone comment about the fish>?
I think the fish is really brutal and stiff. Stiffens is a very good thing if you know what to do with it.
I the fish can be a really tight growling razor gain monster. am i wrong?
plus it has all the versatility you need..
am i wrong?

Maybe speak to ttosh about why he dropped his fish. There are reasons for everything. If searing brutality is your schtick, then the TwinJet is the tits. So long as you don't expect versatility to the nines. Now, it is looser. So this razor sharp tightness and focus you speak of brings me to the reason I have my other go-to amp... The Diezel VH4(S). Incredible punch and gain - razor blades. Can't be beat, hence the reason I have both.

V.

 

[se7en]

The Fish can get heavy, but it's smooth - not razarblade gain. Sounds very rich...It has a bit of give to the feel, as all Bogners do...if you want stiff you should look elsewhere.

How about this...What do you want? Open or compressed? Organic/Raw or Hi-Fi?......What are your favorite styles of music? Besides a brutal sound, what's more important - cleans or mid-gain?

 

[sonic]

well thnx for asking.
I am in the process of buying amps for my recording studio.
The amps are going to be : mesa roadking, recto preamp, mark v, diezel ( dont know wich yet),
bogner ( dont know which yet), brunetti, engl savage, cae preamp, soldano x-99.
So about the bogner... I want it buzzing and be rich, i dont care to be stiff i will get stifness from diezel, but i dont want it to be very loose.
There is a certain fuzz in bogner that i LOVE. Ok no i got it. I want it fuzzy and complex. Dont care about the cleans, i got tons of them.
No i dont want it too compressed.......
HELP.
The fish would be good as a price cause it goes for 3000$ while the xtc anniversary goes for 5500$.
About the uber, maybe it is too metal for my tastes at the moment, i mean i got rectos, i got engl and diezel. I dont
think i need another meathmachine...

 

[sonic]

tell me about HI-FI. I wanna hear everything about it.

 

[se7en]

Well, all Bogners are rich and complex, except maybe, to a lesser degree, the Alchemist series...I don't know what you mean by 'buzzing'...buzz is usually something people dislike. I would do a YouTube search for "OHM tone merchants" if you want to hear what the Fish sounds like in Chris Poland's hands. The 20th XTC sounds fuller and can cover more modern stuff and you have more options in how to set it up. The Fish has a very liquid sound to it and is amazing as well...not better or worse, just different.

If you want to know about Hi-fi, check out some clips.of the Diezel Herbert...Korn's guitarist uses this amp and it could probably replace the Mesa Rectifier amps in your studio....very versatile.

 

[sonic]

I am not yet sure if i should go for the herbie or the vh4. I dont like scooped sound razorblades and i want attack. I am not sure if this is the vh4 or the herbert...
as for the bogners i used to be in favour of the preamps with separate power amps. The sound of the rack i think it is alwas more defined and cleaner. That is what i used to believe. Now i am in the process of changing my mind as i really cant find a fantastic power amp. And NO the vht power amps are not that great...

 

[Ventura]

I am not yet sure if i should go for the herbie or the vh4. I dont like scooped sound razorblades and i want attack. I am not sure if this is the vh4 or the herbert...
as for the bogners i used to be in favour of the preamps with separate power amps. The sound of the rack i think it is alwas more defined and cleaner. That is what i used to believe. Now i am in the process of changing my mind as i really cant find a fantastic power amp. And NO the vht power amps are not that great...

James Lugo said the VH4 is the most versatile amp he's ever had in his studio - and although his word is not gospel - he does know what he's doing in a studio environment. I speak about gain and such a lot when it comes to amps, and volume. This is the key - if one actually uncorks an amp to its full potential with volume, the gain factor seems to be less of a concern than those who play at lower volumes. The Herbert is looser, and it's got a huge fan base. The VH4 is the original Diezel signature sound amp, and although it's gone through several iterations, it is a monster. Versatility though, would be greater with the VH4 for a studio environment.

The interesting thing here is Bogner and Diezel are my fave amps....and it's almost like ya have to take into consideration which one your getting of one manufacturer to help you decide which one to get from the other - know what I mean? Like, it'd be kinda self defeating IMHO to get a Herbert and an Uberschall. And it might be equally as self defeating to get an XTC and a VH4, see what I'm talking about? The V and X cover a LOT of territory, and the Uberschall and Herbert are more gain focuses. I'd still choose a Herbert over an Uberschall though as it once again, has more terrain it can cover. But man, good luck with this endeavor - main thing is to make sure you don't have too much cross over with the amps. Rely on some FX and racks to modify the ones you will get.

Peace,
V.

 

[ttosh]

I am not yet sure if i should go for the herbie or the vh4. I dont like scooped sound razorblades and i want attack. I am not sure if this is the vh4 or the herbert...
as for the bogners i used to be in favour of the preamps with separate power amps. The sound of the rack i think it is alwas more defined and cleaner. That is what i used to believe. Now i am in the process of changing my mind as i really cant find a fantastic power amp. And NO the vht power amps are not that great...

James Lugo said the VH4 is the most versatile amp he's ever had in his studio - and although his word is not gospel - he does know what he's doing in a studio environment. I speak about gain and such a lot when it comes to amps, and volume. This is the key - if one actually uncorks an amp to its full potential with volume, the gain factor seems to be less of a concern than those who play at lower volumes. The Herbert is looser, and it's got a huge fan base. The VH4 is the original Diezel signature sound amp, and although it's gone through several iterations, it is a monster. Versatility though, would be greater with the VH4 for a studio environment.

The interesting thing here is Bogner and Diezel are my fave amps....and it's almost like ya have to take into consideration which one your getting of one manufacturer to help you decide which one to get from the other - know what I mean? Like, it'd be kinda self defeating IMHO to get a Herbert and an Uberschall. And it might be equally as self defeating to get an XTC and a VH4, see what I'm talking about? The V and X cover a LOT of territory, and the Uberschall and Herbert are more gain focuses. I'd still choose a Herbert over an Uberschall though as it once again, has more terrain it can cover. But man, good luck with this endeavor - main thing is to make sure you don't have too much cross over with the amps. Rely on some FX and racks to modify the ones you will get.

Peace,
V.

V.

Very well put.

Regarding the Fish, I would not say it is a really nu metal sounding preamp. It has a very polite gain structure to me and sounds really chewy in the mid section like all Bogners do to me. The Fish gives you the benefit of different power sections to change things about its aggressiveness and depth, etc...

I rid myself of the Fish for the 20th because I wanted to move away from racks and I really feel like a preamp and power amp seems a bit more disconnected to me from an amp head. I will say the Fish and Mesa 2:90 I had got heavier than my 101b and Classic I have owned in the past. However I hear things in the 20th clips that leads me to believe I will get this to be as heavy as I want. I like everything from 70s rock to today's modern metal, there are so many names for it, I will leave it at modern metal. I have found an amp like the Bogner 20th setup right at the right volume with the correct picking technique for this style of music will give you many miles for the taking. Also having such a nice mid structure it will give you a more complex metal tone than some of the all out metal amps. There are a lot of factors to tone for me, and a lot of it starts with technique. Now that is not to say that with the best technique the 20th can sound like the Diezel Herbert, etc... but the outcome can be very modern sounding and maybe even put a twist in there that is not the norm based on the overall complexity of the tone, technique combined.

I am not sure I am making sense or helping right now. Sounds like you have a lot of amps lined up, and are well on your way to having quite a lineup for your studio. No matter what you decide the best to you and your endeavor. It sounds like an exciting one to me.