Cabs...

[Vigier Arpege]

Anyone compared the Diezel V412F with V30/G12K-100 in X-pattern vs Mills Afterburner 412B with V30/G12K-100 in X-pattern?

 

[Jonny333]

That's my exact decision right now aswell!
P.S. Nice Vigier pic

 

[Vigier Arpege]

It's a hard decision, really need some input on this one. I may need to buy both cabs if nobody have done an A/B with these cabs I really need something to complement my VH-4. I'll guess both cabs would do this but I would like to know the differences between these cabs before buying cause trying ain't an option

 

[Ventura]

I have not had the pleasure of doing this, but my guess is, either one will blow yer socks off.

I'm a big fan of Diezel, but also of Mills Acoustics. I think they've really got a killer design with their internal baffling and so forth. I'd say go Mills and if ya don't like it - sell it as "almost new". The depreciation on a Diezel 4x12 is greater in the after sales market...

I don't want the Diezel-Mafia hating me for saying that, but it's my opinion

Peace,
V.

 

[Vigier Arpege]

So that's why you don't state your gear any more, you're afraid that the Diezel-mafia will get mid-evil on your ass when they see you only got Mills-cabs!

 

[Ventura]

So that's why you don't state your gear any more, you're afraid that the Diezel-mafia will get mid-evil on your ass when they see you only got Mills-cabs!

QUITE honestly, I don't have a Mills in my possession anymore, but I've had the experience, and I loved them. I'm looking into a couple custom cabs for my studio and Dave's been awesome... I need some "generic" asskickin' cabinets, and Mills is the only choice. They're built to impeccable standards, fairly well priced, options for drivers, hell - need I say more?

I'm pretty set with my stock right now - a newer VH4S running through a new Diezel 4x12 G12K100 stereo cab; a new Uberschall Twin Jet running through a new UberKab (X patterned with V30's and G12T75's - awesome!), and a couple combos, one of which I'm rebuilding and re-voicing as it's a Class A amp with tremendous potential - it's getting the royal treatment with top notch valves and a Celestion Gold Alnico driver - my vintage rig

Peace Braddah,
V.

PS - BEWARE the Diezel-Mafia

 

[Vigier Arpege]

Thanks for your input and warning me about the Diezel-mob, I'll guess they've already got snipers at your neighbours roof by now
Anyway, if anyone in this universe has compared those cabs the right place to start searching for some answers would be in this great part of Rig-Talk.

I know it's a long shot though...

 

[studiojig]

I don't have any experience with the Mills but I do have a FL G12K100 Diezel cab (the new, German made one) and IT KILLS. I cannot imagine anything else is better... maybe just as good, but better? Hard to believe. At least in FL cabs. I'd say it comes down to what you're looking for sound/tone-wise. To insure I'm not taken as a mafia member, I'll also say I have a Bogner 4x12 that is loaded with 4 Hellatone 60L's and for a rear-loaded cab it's the giant tits. I'm sure a Mills or others could hang with it, but my dear lord it's impressively awesome. That said, it's a RL and as such different than a FL. Combine the two and earthquakes occur

 

[RJF]

If you have a Diezel head, and you can afford a Diezel cab, why would you consider anything else? You don't mind mismatched gear?

Lets put it this way, if you go with a Diezel FL, do you think you would be unhappy with the results? No........ I can pretty much guarantee one thing, a Mills or whatever off brand is not going to be better than a Diezel cab, and that is best case scenario.

I personally HATE mismatched gear, as it looks okie, but I wouldn't be so adamant if I was talking about Peavey gear or something. I do actually believe the Diezel cab is likely the best cab on the market, and at the very least tied with the best. Another thing is the research that goes into a brand's cab that is designed to bring out the best qualities of their heads. There is no better example than VHT. While a Diezel cab is built better than a VHT cab, it still doesn't sound as good as a VHT cab when you have a VHT head powering either one of them.

You can't make a wrong decision matching brand for brand on this stuff.

 

[Jonny333]

If you have a Diezel head, and you can afford a Diezel cab

Some of us spent years saving up for a used diezel head, not everyone on here is made of it.

 

[Vigier Arpege]

No, I don't mind what you call "missmatched gear", and I don't care if it looks okie. I only care about how it sounds, but thats just me...

There are a lot of successful-sounding "mismatched" gear out there you know, if you want your own "unique" tone, try mixing different brands of gear, something works and something don't. The thing about music and tone is that it is very subjective, one thing doesn't work for all.

I'm sure I would be happy with both of the cabs, but as far as I know I can't get the X-pattern in a Diezel-cab, right? But I can get this from Mills and thats why I posted my first question.

If Diezel could make me the new frontloaded cab with x-pattern I'm pretty sure I would go for that, but they don't so I want to look at other opportunities before I buy myself this Dizel-cab and two extra speakers. There must be someone on this planet experienced both....

Thanks for your input, appreciate it

 

[RedB4Black]

PM DEWD

He had both the German FL Diezel cab (all gks) and a Mills (v30s I think) at the same time. He preferred the Diezel cab with his VH4, but didn't play it with a Herbert.

I have a US made FL Deizel cab with v30s/GK100s and a Mills with all v30s (though going back to gks/v30s). The Mills sounds better, but the Diezel is a little more tighter and focused. The Mills is still tight, just not quite as tight as the FL Diezel. What it does have that that the Diezel cab lacks is a forceful thrust and girthyness. I believe the German cabs are a little bigger than the US cabs, so there may be some added girth to them.

Honestly, I had the cash to buy the new FL cab, but opted against it. I don't think you can go wrong with either the Diezel or the Mills cabs. I just got 2 Mills cabs for just $150 more than the Diezel cab would have cost me. If the cosmetic head/cab match is an issue, then who cares, get the Diezel cab. If sound is more important, then which ever is better is debateable. If price is most important, the choice is obvious.

 

[RJF]

If you have a Diezel head, and you can afford a Diezel cab

Some of us spent years saving up for a used diezel head, not everyone on here is made of it.

I agree, and my post was directed only at the original poster, which said he could afford either or even both at the same time.

I hear you though, I played through a number of mismatched cabs with my used Herbert until I finally saved enough for a Diezel cab.

 

[RJF]

No, I don't mind what you call "missmatched gear", and I don't care if it looks okie. I only care about how it sounds, but thats just me...

There are a lot of successful-sounding "mismatched" gear out there you know, if you want your own "unique" tone, try mixing different brands of gear, something works and something don't. The thing about music and tone is that it is very subjective, one thing doesn't work for all.

I'm sure I would be happy with both of the cabs, but as far as I know I can't get the X-pattern in a Diezel-cab, right? But I can get this from Mills and thats why I posted my first question.

If Diezel could make me the new frontloaded cab with x-pattern I'm pretty sure I would go for that, but they don't so I want to look at other opportunities before I buy myself this Dizel-cab and two extra speakers. There must be someone on this planet experienced both....

Thanks for your input, appreciate it

You might want to check with Diezel on this. I think I have heard of people requesting certain speakers in a cab before it's sent to them. They just might do an X pattern for you apon request.

If you don't care about mismatched brands then I'd probably just buy whatever is cheaper of the two.

 

[PaulyPanacea]

both are great cabs...i prefer the new Diezel FL with mine though. Just killer. Good luck in your seach!

 

[Ventura]

both are great cabs...i prefer the new Diezel FL with mine though. Just killer. Good luck in your seach!

CABS Pauly.... not CANS!!

Peace,
V.

PS - I have to agree though, if you can get a Diezel FL4x12 loaded with G12K's, you'll be duly impressed for certain. I am for sure... It PUMPS!!

 

[Jonny333]

If you have a Diezel head, and you can afford a Diezel cab

Some of us spent years saving up for a used diezel head, not everyone on here is made of it.

I agree, and my post was directed only at the original poster, which said he could afford either or even both at the same time.

I hear you though, I played through a number of mismatched cabs with my used Herbert until I finally saved enough for a Diezel cab.

Sorry man, I totally misread that line of your post. I thought you said "If you can afford a Diezel head, you can afford a Diezel cab" (Didn't see the 'and'). Sorry about that!
Peace

 

[Vigier Arpege]

both are great cabs...i prefer the new Diezel FL with mine though. Just killer. Good luck in your seach!

CABS Pauly.... not CANS!!

Peace,
V.

PS - I have to agree though, if you can get a Diezel FL4x12 loaded with G12K's, you'll be duly impressed for certain. I am for sure... It PUMPS!!

X-pattern CANS would be something quite unique, maybe that's what I'm looking for ...

Well, I'm not that big fan of V30's, but I think in an X-pattern with G12K's they would fill each other out quite perfectly.

 

[Ventura]

If I may say so myself - I have G12T75's and V30's crossed patterned in my UberKab and they sound f*ckin' righteous. Takes the edge off the V30's; keeps the wattages more efficient (why go 100W per driver when 75W will do?? Fact is, 50W to 60W per driver would be choice).

And ONCE AGAIN I say, what about them Celestion Gold Alnicos?? Yes - bloody expensive, but oooooooooooooh so buttery.

V.

 

[Mizati20]

I haven't played a Diezel cab, but I currently own a Herbert that I run through a Mills Afterburner with the speaker configuration you are talking about (I have also owned/played a VH-4 with it as well) and I can honestly say, I'm not exactly sure how a cab could get much better... I'm sure the Diezel cabs are amazing, but I actually know a few people who HAVE played both extensively and decided on the Mills... I can't say enough good about the Afterburner... until I got this cab I foolishly didn't consider the speaker cabinet an essential part of my rig, just kind of the thing I needed to plug into to hear my guitar head, but man, the thing sounds absolutely massive, you CAN'T make the bottom end flubby, no matter what you throw at it, it's percussive and smooth, and i've never played a cab that completely fills the room with sound like this one does... Just wanted to add my opinion on the Mills... like I said, I'm sure the Diezel cabs are fantastic as well, just letting you know that if you go with the Mills there is no way possible you will be dissapointed, but I'd venture to say you can't lose with either cab choice...

A pic of my current rig minus my fiddles... gigging is such a pleasure with this simple setup....