Can anyone play the crazy train solo properly?

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Never tried to learn the entire song until now and I am stuck on the beginning of the lead. Was hoping some Randy wizards could help with this part.

@2:48 immediately after the first set of taps what is he doing?

He didn't use a floyd so what gives? Studio magic? Floyd for the recording only?

Can't figure it out. It appears live that he just does some hammers and sometimes differently then the other so I am convinced he did something odd in the studio for this but not sure what it is.
 
You know the solo is double tracked, and the tracks play in unison at certain parts, and not unison at other parts, yes?

This is a good starter guide if you werent aware.




And if youre talking what I think you're talking about, its a pre-bend
 
Deraps not only gets close to his tone but lets you kind of hear whats going on. I found this helpful when i was learning it two years ago.

 
You know the solo is double tracked, and the tracks play in unison at certain parts, and not unison at other parts, yes?

This is a good starter guide if you werent aware.




And if youre talking what I think you're talking about, its a pre-bend

This explains it I think. I guess it's the prebend. The part in this video is the tail end of what I was referring to and I didnt know there were 2 takes.

Thanks
 
This explains it I think. I guess it's the prebend. The part in this video is the tail end of what I was referring to and I didnt know there were 2 takes.

Thanks


I tried convincing my friends for years that the 2 takes weren't exactly the same and no one believed me.

Now there's frickin you tube videos on it! Good luck man! Let us know if you need any more help!
 
I'm sure victim5150 I believe is his name on here can nail it .
 
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This explains it I think. I guess it's the prebend. The part in this video is the tail end of what I was referring to and I didnt know there were 2 takes.

Thanks
I don't think this dissonance is what the you were referring to. Because it's a full run down, whereas that divebomb-y sounding part goes back up for a little while.

My guess is that in the studio recording, whether intentionally or not, there was tape-slippage, to give that sense of a slight dive-bomb during the tapping, because the notes are coming 'back up' again at 2m49s, which is right before the dissonant runs downward.
I wouldn't be surprised if you flipped a tape-speed switch during recording, it ramps up, and if you immediately flip it back, it's back to the regular speed. Now during that ramp-up/down part, you're essentially using more tape per second, so if you then play it back on one single, constant speed after the recording, you will most likely hear the sound dropping in pitch.
 
It’s a testament to Randy’s greatness that 40 years later, people are still obsessing over the many subtleties in his playing.
Definitely. That stuff came out when I was a little kid, before I even knew what a guitar was. I always liked Blizzard and Diary, my dad had the records but I was never huge into it and never cared to learn anything more than the opening riff until now. Trying to learn everything really puts it into perspective.

Im kind of with Dstroud or Speeddemon. He had to have used a floyd or it was something in the studio. I have tried this a few times now and when Randy comes back up it does not resolve naturally on any fret. Neither whole step or half step match so idk. Its definitely something mentioned in this thread but I just dont know what.

Prebend tapping
Floyd rose
Studio trick
2nd take altering the sound

I guess for my intents and purposes not having a floyd I am going to have to learn the prebend tap to make it work. I have not tried to learn a cover in a long time unfortunately. Ive spent years writing my own or when i practice just practicing scales or random riffing so it's a bit difficult.

Makes me wish i spent more time learning other people's music.
 
Definitely. That stuff came out when I was a little kid, before I even knew what a guitar was. I always liked Blizzard and Diary, my dad had the records but I was never huge into it and never cared to learn anything more than the opening riff until now. Trying to learn everything really puts it into perspective.

Im kind of with Dstroud or Speeddemon. He had to have used a floyd or it was something in the studio. I have tried this a few times now and when Randy comes back up it does not resolve naturally on any fret. Neither whole step or half step match so idk. Its definitely something mentioned in this thread but I just dont know what.

Prebend tapping
Floyd rose
Studio trick
2nd take altering the sound

I guess for my intents and purposes not having a floyd I am going to have to learn the prebend tap to make it work. I have not tried to learn a cover in a long time unfortunately. Ive spent years writing my own or when i practice just practicing scales or random riffing so it's a bit difficult.

Makes me wish i spent more time learning other people's music.
Some tend to rip on cover bands but you do tend to pick up a lot of cool stuff over the years; learning other guys solos.
I remember years ago, there was this local guy who could just rip. You’d hear him in the local music store shredding like crazy. We saw him at one of our shows, I gladly turned my Hamer over to him. He was absolutely terrible; playing in the wrong key and off beat. We had no idea he’d never ever played with a drummer or a band before. Haha
 
How does anyone know he didn't use a Floyd for the solo for sure?
We dont. I was just basing it off any live videos I could find but it was mentioned that he did have a floyd on a couple of his guitars. And well, live with a hardtail he isn't matching what the studio recording did on this specific part.
 
Some tend to rip on cover bands but you do tend to pick up a lot of cool stuff over the years; learning other guys solos.
I remember years ago, there was this local guy who could just rip. You’d hear him in the local music store shredding like crazy. We saw him at one of our shows, I gladly turned my Hamer over to him. He was absolutely terrible; playing in the wrong key and off beat. We had no idea he’d never ever played with a drummer or a band before. Haha
I think that is why I have always focused on my own path when it comes to guitar. I can appreciate both lead and rhythm players.

IMO if you can do both excellent you are god tier but I always felt it is more important to focus on riffs and songwriting vs flashy leads and your post is a perfect example of why. Sure this dude can shred circles around people but can he play with a band?

Randy certainly had it all.
 
Definitely. That stuff came out when I was a little kid, before I even knew what a guitar was. I always liked Blizzard and Diary, my dad had the records but I was never huge into it and never cared to learn anything more than the opening riff until now. Trying to learn everything really puts it into perspective.

Im kind of with Dstroud or Speeddemon. He had to have used a floyd or it was something in the studio. I have tried this a few times now and when Randy comes back up it does not resolve naturally on any fret. Neither whole step or half step match so idk. Its definitely something mentioned in this thread but I just dont know what.

Prebend tapping
Floyd rose
Studio trick
2nd take altering the sound

I guess for my intents and purposes not having a floyd I am going to have to learn the prebend tap to make it work. I have not tried to learn a cover in a long time unfortunately. Ive spent years writing my own or when i practice just practicing scales or random riffing so it's a bit difficult.

Makes me wish i spent more time learning other people's music.
When BoO and DoaMM were recorded only a small handful of players had access to Floyd Rose and those were prototypes units (EVH, Neal Schon).

His Sandoval V (polka dot) had a VTrem.

His Les Paul was a hard tail.

His Jackson Concorde had a VTrem (Delivered after tracking of BoO)

The black Jackson V was a hard tail (Delivered immediately before start of DoaMM tour and mere months before his passing).

There are reports that there was a Strat with a VTrem in the studio for the recording of BoO.

Floyds started appearing on production Kramers around ‘82. Kramer had an exclusive and you had to “sacrifice“ a Kramer to get a Floyd to put on another brand.

Randys first Floyd’d guitar was being built by Jackson at the time of his passing. The guitar was not finished and was sold to a collector who years later finished it… with a VTrem.

So Rhoads did have access to up to 2 guitars with VTrems when Crazy Train was recorded.

Live videos also show Rhoads playing Crazy Train on his hardtail Les Paul.

As for how to play this part, there is multi-tracking with at least two dubs panned left and right. Listen to the recording panned to hear the different parts. For me it became a question not of how he played it, but how to replicate what you hear on the recording.

I use a minor 3rd trill. I have used two techniques to produce the pitch changes: lowering and raising via the tremolo and by moving the trill chromatically down and up the neck.

I find that I can get closer by moving the trill chromatrically:
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There are slight variations in the meter of the riff. It was very challenging to get this sounding right. Tried the pre-bend with pick taps that tabs call for…. never got it sounding right.

I also chose the ”moving trill” based on listening to live versions of Rhoads playing the solo. It really sound like a chromatic trill to me.

Now the real question: do you play the break out of the verse right? None of the tabs you will find have it right (that I have seen anyway). Rhoads did an interview where he told us exactly how to play it: chordal inversions with the 3rd played ”in the bass” (i.e. on the 6th string:)
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I thought for sure it was pre-bend tapping

but here is Jake, he's doing just simple chromatic Hammer on/Pull offs descending 2:50


Here's Zakk, same approach as Jake 3:01


Brad Gillis no surprise Floyd 1:56



FINALLY FOUND a RANDY clip

1:16
all Hammer on/Pull offs, but the notes seem a bit different than the others above


I wonder if on the studio recording he did something more like his reverse hand bend at 3:01 here
 
I thought for sure it was pre-bend tapping

but here is Jake, he's doing just simple chromatic Hammer on/Pull offs descending 2:50


Here's Zakk, same approach as Jake 3:01


Brad Gillis no surprise Floyd 1:56



FINALLY FOUND a RANDY clip
1:16
all Hammer on/Pull offs, but the notes seem a bit different than the others above


I wonder if on the studio recording he did something more like his reverse hand bend at 3:01 here

I like the first Randy clip best.

Otherwise Jake is the only worthy contender.
 
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