Carlos Cavazo: One of the most underrated players ever?

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I've never felt Carlos has as gotten the recognition he deserves.

 
When I think of Carlos, I’m indifferent. It took balls to replace Randy Rhoads. I’ll give him that.
 
His initials are C.C. and that makes me think of C.C. Deville right away. So he's got that working against him big time...
 
My opinions have changed over the years.
Before I would have said meh he is just another average player.
But there is much more to guitar then shredding !
He has killer riffs that are memorable, good tone, and does not overdue it.
I think he has good phrasing as well.
I mean metal health is iconic for sure !
This song did more for hard rock then many acknowledge.
 
Kidkramer71":3sx3szu2 said:
My opinions have changed over the years.
Before I would have said meh he is just another average player.
But there is much more to guitar then shredding !
He has killer riffs that are memorable, good tone, and does not overdue it.
I think he has good phrasing as well.
I mean metal health is iconic for sure !
This song did more for hard rock then many acknowledge.
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I agree, to a point....to be considered better than average he’s got to show that he can shred away, which he doesn’t really do. At that time it was a requirement, like it or not. In that sense he reminds me of Mick Mars, another ‘limited’ player.
But he and Mick absolutely were a part of some iconic songs and no one can take that away.
 
I saw him with Ratt live and he was pretty good. A little weedly weedly at times but he could play.
 
Kidkramer71":2yeczidp said:
My opinions have changed over the years.
Before I would have said meh he is just another average player.
But there is much more to guitar then shredding !
He has killer riffs that are memorable, good tone, and does not overdue it.
I think he has good phrasing as well.
I mean metal health is iconic for sure !
This song did more for hard rock then many acknowledge.
Click to expand...

This is the first metal act to hit number one on the billboard 200 charts. Pretty significant for an average play if you ask me. Who gives a fuck if a guy can play 500 notes in a 12 second passage. If that player cant write a good song Im not going to give them more than a 5 seconds listen. No matter how many notes he can stuff into a congested bloated shred solo.
 
Kidkramer71":rdrvtzxi said:
My opinions have changed over the years.
Before I would have said meh he is just another average player.
But there is much more to guitar then shredding !
He has killer riffs that are memorable, good tone, and does not overdue it.
I think he has good phrasing as well.
I mean metal health is iconic for sure !
This song did more for hard rock then many acknowledge.
Click to expand...
Agreed.
He added some great stuff to RATT's "Infestation" album as well.
As much as I appreciate Robbin, Carlos brought another level to RATT live as well.
 
Carlos Cavazo's style/technique is easily as melodic/harmonic as his contemporaries.

Cool trip back to 1984! :)

 
If you're a Carlos fan check out is pre -QR days in the band SNOW, they were a little more blues based, somewhat a VH clone band, the 'Metal Health' riff was originally part of a SNOW song

 
Racerxrated":15mj6ze8 said:
Kidkramer71":15mj6ze8 said:
My opinions have changed over the years.
Before I would have said meh he is just another average player.
But there is much more to guitar then shredding !
He has killer riffs that are memorable, good tone, and does not overdue it.
I think he has good phrasing as well.
I mean metal health is iconic for sure !
This song did more for hard rock then many acknowledge.
Click to expand...
I agree, to a point....to be considered better than average he’s got to show that he can shred away, which he doesn’t really do. At that time it was a requirement, like it or not. In that sense he reminds me of Mick Mars, another ‘limited’ player.
But he and Mick absolutely were a part of some iconic songs and no one can take that away.
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Please tell me you're joking. "shred away"? Damn man....
 
Yeah I think he is a little underrated but IMO the band he was is was the shits ... yes they had the first #1 metal/hard rock album but that was really only on the back of a cover that they all hated and Spencer Proffer. I have tried for years to actually listen to their first 3 albums and just can't do it, all the songs are weak as fuck.

I really like the Randy Rhoads stuff but that is more for who he was and not the songs so much

His playing with Ratt was awesome
 
UltraGary":2fte3njj said:
Racerxrated":2fte3njj said:
Kidkramer71":2fte3njj said:
My opinions have changed over the years.
Before I would have said meh he is just another average player.
But there is much more to guitar then shredding !
He has killer riffs that are memorable, good tone, and does not overdue it.
I think he has good phrasing as well.
I mean metal health is iconic for sure !
This song did more for hard rock then many acknowledge.
Click to expand...
I agree, to a point....to be considered better than average he’s got to show that he can shred away, which he doesn’t really do. At that time it was a requirement, like it or not. In that sense he reminds me of Mick Mars, another ‘limited’ player.
But he and Mick absolutely were a part of some iconic songs and no one can take that away.
Click to expand...


Please tell me you're joking. "shred away"? Damn man....
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Okay maybe that's a bit extreme but don't you have to have the chops in the early-mid 80s to be considered 'really good'? I just don't consider him to be even close to the same league as a ton of other guys from the LA or Cali scene back then, sorry. That doesn't take away from his contributions in all the great songwriting he did.
Like it or not, you had to have the ability to shred a bit, at least, the further into the 80s you went. At least to be considered among the best.
That's what I remember. I like Vivian Campbell a lot but he's another guy who didn't have the same ability as other guys back in the day. Was it a 'must have' ? Well, unfortunately yes. For better or worse to be considered really good you had to have the chops.
 
I used to have the Quiet Riot live dvd that came out in early 2000's i think? Yeah his playing is average but I want that metallic green Jackson sooo badly!
 
He is rated right where he should be and even having a thread about him is generous enough.
 
I saw QR on one of their reunion tours in the 90s or early 2000s (I forget, around the release of the QR album Terrified I think), and Carlos was ON FIRE, at least the night I saw them. He showed a whole other side, way more in line with what you would consider state of the art LA guitar playing in the 80s. He always said Kevin and Spencer Proffer held him back on record, and after that show, I believe it. He had 3 Marshall cabs, 2 Marshall heads, some rack gear, a pedalboard, and a metallic green Jackson Soloist with flame inlays, and he sounded more like DeMartini or even Lynch than his recorded output would indicate. VERY underrated player.
 
I love the dude. Grew up listening to him.
Battle axe. Great instrumental!!k
 
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