CH1,CH2(Herbert) VS CH1, CH2(Einstein) - Please compare

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Hello people !

I'm after a new amp and I want you all Diezel users to compare the sound from ch1 and ch2 between Einstein and Herbert if it's possible. I can't get out of my head the sounds that I've heard in a tonemerchant video clip from youtube with the Herbert... fantastic clean+plexi sound+Jcm800 sound(but the sounds are not a simple copy - to my ears sound better) and beyond... it's incredible. All those elements that I didn't like about other amps are corrected on Diezel amps... the sound is very unique.
Please help me because I want to make the right decision.
Can I buy directly from Diezel company the amp ?

Thank you very much.
 
I owned the Einstein and the Herbert at the same time. Though I loved it, I ended up selling the Einstein because I felt the Herbert could get me the tones I like the most on the Einstein. To me, the Einstein was slightly looser and more vintage sounding vs. the tighter, more modern sounding Herbert. With a boost, the Einstein can get really mean. If you don't need the switching features and the over the top gain offered by the Herbert, the Einstein is a great choice.

You'll have to buy it through a dealer as I don't believe you can buy direct.

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i have a herbert and ive played the einstein and i agree with what mhenson said.
 
I have not played a Herbert, but my Einstein is amazingly versatile. The clean is full, vintage, and deep...the best I've heard. Its like a fender deluxe reverb that doesn't break up quite as easily, can be tweaked to be much brighter as well. The other two modes on Channel 1, Texas and Mega, are just as great. Think Vintage JCM800 or Plexi for the Texas mode, while the Mega is CERTAINLY enough distortion for anyone, even without a boost. I'm sure its a different texture than the Herbert, but it has plently of gain honestly. As far as Ch2 (lead mode) goes, its tight and focused (sounds BETTER than my MarkIV lead, way more character), or and can be VERY saturated if you want it to be, or just sweet and creamy.If I had the equipment to upload some clips I would, as I haven't found any clips on this site, soundclick, or anywhere else that fully capture what this amp does in high gain mode. Most of the clips I hear sound like they have the EQ on the amp all whacked out.

I do have a recording of my Einstein actually, it can be seen in the first link below. Its a good clip to my ears.

Some good high gain clips of the Einstein can be found here:
https://www.myspace.com/fightinginstinct <--Listen to "Desperate"...I mixed my Les Paul & Strat together for this one

or here:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... D=23943715

or at Diezelamplification.com (Chad Mosbey)

The only bad thing about the einstein is using it live, as you have to have a mod to remotely access the 3 modes. Based on what I've seen on this forum, this can either be put into two footswitches, one being the default Diezel Channel/Master footswitch and the other to switch between the modes in Ch1, OR you can use a switching system like the GCX + Ground Control system to switch between modes and master/channel switches with just one button.

Hope that helps in regard to the Einstein!

-Derek
 
Neuro":21d4qde5 said:
I have not played a Herbert, but my Einstein is amazingly versatile. The clean is full, vintage, and deep...the best I've heard. Its like a fender deluxe reverb that doesn't break up quite as easily, can be tweaked to be much brighter as well. The other two modes on Channel 1, Texas and Mega, are just as great. Think Vintage JCM800 or Plexi for the Texas mode, while the Mega is CERTAINLY enough distortion for anyone, even without a boost. I'm sure its a different texture than the Herbert, but it has plently of gain honestly. As far as Ch2 (lead mode) goes, its tight and focused (sounds BETTER than my MarkIV lead, way more character), or and can be VERY saturated if you want it to be, or just sweet and creamy.If I had the equipment to upload some clips I would, as I haven't found any clips on this site, soundclick, or anywhere else that fully capture what this amp does in high gain mode. Most of the clips I hear sound like they have the EQ on the amp all whacked out.

I do have a recording of my Einstein actually, it can be seen in the first link below. Its a good clip to my ears.

Some good high gain clips of the Einstein can be found here:
https://www.myspace.com/fightinginstinct <--Listen to "Desperate"...I mixed my Les Paul & Strat together for this one
Great Sound my friend. Great Sound!

or here:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... D=23943715

or at Diezelamplification.com (Chad Mosbey)

The only bad thing about the einstein is using it live, as you have to have a mod to remotely access the 3 modes. Based on what I've seen on this forum, this can either be put into two footswitches, one being the default Diezel Channel/Master footswitch and the other to switch between the modes in Ch1, OR you can use a switching system like the GCX + Ground Control system to switch between modes and master/channel switches with just one button.

Hope that helps in regard to the Einstein!

-Derek
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Thank you for the replies.

I'm also curios if you can get the same plexi punch on ch2 on the Einstein just like on Herbert ?
 
Maybe I'm missing something here but there's NO Diezel amp that has ANY Marshall tone in it. I know that my Einstein is one of the best amps I've ever played but it's now changing, I just tried a Modena60. Diezels are way too stiff amps, nothing wrong with that and again, I love my Einstein and to me it's the best Diezel amp. If anyone thinks that the Einstein is somewhat vintage or the "vintage" Diezel, you're wrong and need new ears because they're all modern sounding amps. The Einstein has great mids that might have some thingking it's "vintage" but it's too stiff to be rightly called vintage and it's a HIGH GAIN monster, no other way about it.

The Diezels are too dark and stiff to have ANY Marshall or Plexi tones in them. They're also highly compressed GAINS (not a bad thing either) Not even close to a Plexi at least none of them are even close to my JCM800 or my modded HW Plexi. If you like modern music and tones then Diezel is exellent and they're actually exellent for everything else but there's no "vintage" anything on ANY Diezel do not make that assumption or mistake. Anyone that says otherwise has never experienced a true cranked Plexi or Hot Rodded Marshall or a Vintage amp.

Diezel by far does not equal VINTAGE! The Einstein is a monster and one of my favorite amps of ALL time.
 
Well I saw that clip from youtube with Ed Yoon testing a Herbert amp... at ch2 for example there are moments when you hear some plexi stuff... that's for sure... I think that you can obtain also some tones like those from a Two Rock amp for example... that's what I've heard there.
 
Valentin":3rqj8ob3 said:
Well I saw that clip from youtube with Ed Yoon testing a Herbert amp... at ch2 for example there are moments when you hear some plexi stuff... that's for sure... I think that you can obtain also some tones like those from a Two Rock amp for example... that's what I've heard there.
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"some" or "like" yes, of course but not enough to call it vintage or Plexi. Two Rock amps are another level and amps that should not be played by anyone with less than 15-20 years experience but that goes for any boutique amp. I always say that less than 15 years experience and you really have no clue as to what you want or how to achieve it HENCE, "tone is in the fingers/hands". If the money is there and you want high end stuff then go for it but the thing is that any intermediate or beginner will sound the same thru a Marshall DSL, Diezel, Modena, Bogner etc.

The perfect example..no offense to the guy playing but it is what it is..this doesn't even sound like a $500 amp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWEoFGxAohQ

listen to this guy's stuff and close your eyes and tell me he has a $4000 amp. Not even close right?
 
I'm not a beginner... This would be my first expensive amp after so many years of practicing. I'm in the searching period because I don't want to make expensive mistakes... I'm aware that tone comes from soul+brain+fingers (that's the order)... but I think that Herbert for example is very versatile... and to be onest I don't see why someone would give so much money on a Two Rock... there are amp builders that can get you there... When I see the electronic scheme of a Herbert and the one from Two Rock I must say that the guys from Two Rock are not superior... it's just something different.
 
Joeytpg":bu8nbebp said:
Would you say that the Einstein is a Hi-gainer?
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Yes. It can be down right brutal when boosted.

As I said above, it "sounds" more vintage relative to the other Diezel amps though. It is clearly not a vintage amp though. Or maybe the proper terminology should be sounds "less modern".
 
FriedChickenBandit":wxxjwkpd said:
Valentin":wxxjwkpd said:
Well I saw that clip from youtube with Ed Yoon testing a Herbert amp... at ch2 for example there are moments when you hear some plexi stuff... that's for sure... I think that you can obtain also some tones like those from a Two Rock amp for example... that's what I've heard there.
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"some" or "like" yes, of course but not enough to call it vintage or Plexi. Two Rock amps are another level and amps that should not be played by anyone with less than 15-20 years experience but that goes for any boutique amp. I always say that less than 15 years experience and you really have no clue as to what you want or how to achieve it HENCE, "tone is in the fingers/hands". If the money is there and you want high end stuff then go for it but the thing is that any intermediate or beginner will sound the same thru a Marshall DSL, Diezel, Modena, Bogner etc.

The perfect example..no offense to the guy playing but it is what it is..this doesn't even sound like a $500 amp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWEoFGxAohQ

listen to this guy's stuff and close your eyes and tell me he has a $4000 amp. Not even close right?
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That's Scott, who is an active member of this board. He seems like a good guy regardless of how well he plays guitar. Nonetheless, if he has the cash, why can't he buy what he wants. To me its funny to see people actually get pissed that someone who is not as proficient as they are on the guitar have better gear than them (just look at some of the comments). Perhaps they suck at life, 40+ working for minimum at Guitar Center.
 
I can't see the vid here at work, but I'm sure it's one of mine. Prolly one that's a year old or so... Anyhow, I don't claim to be a good player, and I never have. I'm showing people my gear on youtube and that's it. I think I have improved with the Herbert, especially in the last few months, even though I only have about two hours a week to practice and I've only been practicing for a few years with no teacher. Single parenting is what takes up 95% of my spare time, and that's cool, but don't tell me what I can have and what I can't. My money, my gear.
I play top of the line stuff, so I know it's my playing that needs improvement, not the gear, and it makes me happy to play on my gear.
And yeah, I'm not that kid, that has been playing for 20 years and now works at Guitar Center making ridiculously little money, but goes on youtube to bash people that left him behind financially, and most likely as a person as well many many years ago. At least my playing will improve - his status in life prolly won't.

So please, let me do my thing, having a good time when I can and mind your own fuckin business. :rock:

Edit for Mr. FriedBrainBastard: Have you heard of avi compression, and recording with a photocamera with no mic? Look it up.
 
I also can't see the damn video...
Anyway... I think everybody should buy the best amp if he can afford one... If you like the amp you won't invest so much money in other amps in the future...
BTW... I think that nowadays there are better amps than vintage stuff. Look at an opened Herbert and look at one opened Plexi. What do you have in that Plexi ?... a few capacitors, resistors and trafs. Why would someone give so much money on that ? Look at how much does those parts costs independently and tell me if that amp worth the price ? (How much does it cost a Marshall Hendrix head ?)
C'mon people... face it... with Herbert you can do almost everything you can imagine. With vintage stuff you'll have only one sound... If I play blues/jazz/rock/heavy you can imagine that I won't do that with a Twin Reverb.
 
Scott, good for you :) I'm in the same boat. Played on and off for years, and am probably at best mediocre. Can't play any twiddly solo for toffee, but always liked to learn riffs that caught my attention. As such, I'm reknowned for not being able to play a full song, but hey, I don't really care. I've just bought my Einstein head, paired up to my Orange 4x12, and it sounds lush. The equipment is way beyond my abilities, but I love the sound and has renewed my interest in playing and fiddling again. Some people are just jealous and think they have a "right" to better things if they perceive themselves to be better. Enjoy your rig ;)

Sorry, meant to add that I can't give you a personal comparison, and unfortunately it's somewhat subjective to the person giving you a written opinion, or the recording equipment/method between sound samples. All I can say is that I'm happy with my Einstein ;) Sounds very full through my cab, and I have a MXR-108 through the parallel loop which nicely enhances the sound. Tough decision to make without being able to hear them both.
 
mhenson42":9s0pc0zv said:
Joeytpg":9s0pc0zv said:
Would you say that the Einstein is a Hi-gainer?
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Yes. It can be down right brutal when boosted.

As I said above, it "sounds" more vintage relative to the other Diezel amps though. It is clearly not a vintage amp though. Or maybe the proper terminology should be sounds "less modern".
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Abso-f-ing-lutely. I spend most of my life in mode 3. Unboosted, although with high output pups, I can get thrash/death metal/stoner/doom out of it. It's very responsive to how you play, so if you dig in right it'll pull your face off.

:thumbsup:

Right now, I've got an 808 modded TS-9 which gets switched on for an instant Dimebag tone. More bite but less oomph.

I tend to use the lead channel for stuff where I want more saturation. It may not have teh br00talz quite like the Herb, but it's vicious in a more refined way. :gethim:
 
Joeytpg":1wvgcvc7 said:
Would you say that the Einstein is a Hi-gainer?
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ALL Diezels are. I can't go past 1:00 o'clock on the gain on Mode2 even for heaviest of Metal or once a year when I play something on drop D. I seriously doubt anyone needs or can properly use all the gain an Einstein has on tap. I could probably see a beginner using it past that but as he advances and gets better with muting and dynamics he'll back off on the gain.

I've tried alot of amps since I go to NAMM almost every year and there's very few amps if any, that can out GAIN a Diezel. The Einstein is so ridiculously, wrongly labeled that it's comical. I laugh every time I hear it described as "vintage". The thing is a monster.
 
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