Democrats shouldn’t touch weapons

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70 Mach 1 said:
all democrats should be expatriated to Cuba
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Agreed
Murder rates would drop 97% overnight.
Crime rates in general would drop 91% overnight.
Cheating in elections would drop 98.6 %
Genital mutilation of children would drop 99.3%
Mental illness would fall to 0.03 % of the population..
The welfare plantation would be cut to a quarter of its current size

I just can’t see a downside aside from the fact we would probably end up wanting to hang all the republican politicians after 3 years of no competition. Ultimate power corrupts ultimately..

We would need term limits installed immediately or it would be back to where we are now in a few years.
The founders had a good reason to have multiple parties, when things were working as designed, they kept each other in check.
Sadly, we haven’t had that in decades, but what we have now is fast approaching self destruction and the end as we know it.
That is unacceptable
 
JTyson said:
Floyd Eye
Here’s a question, your a gun guy, I wonder if they discussed optical offset for steel at 5 yards beforehand??

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Somehow I seriously doubt it. In fact I would guess they never heard of offset or hold over/under

I personally wouldn't shoot steel targets any closer than 25 yards and even then it would need to be swinging or angled down.

My zeros for 5.56 with a dot or irons are 50 yards ( I tried 36, went back to 50) Offset ( POA to POI) is no more than an inch from 0-200.
The .223W I built has a Bushnell Elite 6500 on it and it is currently zeroed at 300 yards.
Medium SA handguns 15 yards. I'd rather not have the offset at 15 due to being zero'ed at 25. Particularly a carry weapon.
Range autos 25 yards.
Big ass revolvers, usually 50 but my 8.5" .44 mag is currently zeroed at 100.
 
Floyd Eye said:
Somehow I seriously doubt it. In fact I would guess they never heard of offset or hold over/under

I personally wouldn't shoot steel targets any closer than 25 yards and even then it would need to be swinging or angled down.

My zeros for 5.56 with a dot or irons are 50 yards ( I tried 36, went back to 50) Offset ( POA to POI) is no more than an inch from 0-200.
The .223W I built has a Bushnell Elite 6500 on it and it is currently zeroed at 300 yards.
Medium SA handguns 15 yards. I'd rather not have the offset at 15 due to being zero'ed at 25. Particularly a carry weapon.
Range autos 25 yards.
Big ass revolvers, usually 50 but my 8.5" .44 mag is currently zeroed at 100.
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Yep we run 50 yd zeros on ARs regardless of dots or irons or low power optics. I’ve just gotten so used to it over the years we can comfortably run them to 300 without really thinking about it at all.
AR10s and Long distance guns run 100 yd zeros, use reticle out to 500, and run the clickers beyond that out to 1200
Pistols are 20 yds, we rarely shoot pistols past 50
I was really just making fun of those idiots,
It’s stunning one of those guys was ex military and made that many stupid mistakes, but it happens more than people think.
 
JackBootedThug said:
Man sized target, 10-15 yards or less-point and shoot… no sites. (Pistol) The dummies in the video-idiotic photo op for non shooters. Like tampon Tim bird hunting.
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Point shooting is an important part of my training routine, but it's generally 5-10 yards-ish. Timed good hits from draw ( AIWB) hover around 1 second. Utilizing the (Green) dots still well under 2. I'm really not a "Bullseye" pistol shooter persay and I'm almost never just standing on a line shooting at paper targets. Combat accuracy ( solid kill shots) from ridiculous positions or under rushed and confusing circumstances is more my thing. Or hitting moving targets while I am also moving. Lots of transition drills. Sidearm/Carbine, sidearm, shotgun, etc. It's more fun and more challenging for me. The bulk of my training is either classes with an old retired combat marine instructor/Swat/ police captain or less formal stuff with some crayon eaters and cops I know.

Was doing some spotting for some guys at the range yesterday and a fella I know called Matt had an old Carcano and an Enfield 303 he restored ( this dude buys junked out old military rifles cheap from a place called Royal Tiger and restores them). I was banging a steel silhouette at 250 yards with the old iron sights, which I thought was pretty good for my 56 year old eyeballs.
 
This was our standard for qualifying at my old job. We were timed with moving targets. We started at the 3, then moved to the 7, then the 10….maybe 15. Can’t remember exactly. Been a few years. We finished on the 25 with barricade , weak side barricade and weak hand. Whole course of fire was also tactical reloads, emergency reloads, just different stuff to help prepare you for a fight. The first two movements were extremely short times and aiming was pointless at those ranges. People just get to hung up on shit. The bop is not known for breeding gunfighters but the gun training is solid and legit. 9mm, 870’s, and ar-15’s. Colt smg’s for bpt. Full auto and ninja shit for sort.
 
Some of those old boom sticks are pretty good. Those 6.5 swiss side pull bolt actions are sweet. Finn mosins are killer. 03 Springfield and 98 krags are fine too. Especially the 03’s. Killer rifles. That krag action is butter also. Just a goofy set up. The round does have some punch.
 
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JackBootedThug said:
Some of those old boom sticks are pretty good. Those 6.5 swiss side pull bolt actions are sweet. Finn mosins are killer. 03 Springfield and 98 krags are fine too. Especially the 03’s. Killer rifles. That krag action is butter also. Just a goofy set up. The round does have some punch.
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I like some of those old military issue rifles, but if ammo is hard to find or more expensive, I’m out at that point. I’ve spent years using commonality for calibers and mags, so at this point I’m pretty much resolved to 9mm, .40 cal, 556 and 308.
I’ve got .40 cal pistols and rifles that run the same mags, RPRs and AR10’s that both use SR25 magpul mags and ammo, although the ammo in AR10s is usually lighter rounds than I run in the RPR for long distance, and of course a metric shit ton of PMags for AR rifles and pistols.
Just trying to keep it simple and stay with components that are readily available that will run in multiple platforms.
You know…..
For hunting season … 😉
 
Floyd I ran my buddies Staccato last weekend and was completely blown away by it. It’s stunning how good every last piece of it is, but all of it together was really a thing of beauty. I haven’t shot anything that’s even close to it, but I haven’t shot many pistols that were at that level of precision so I don’t really have much to compare it to.

All my stuff is sub1k pistols aside from a few Sigs I have and I shot through a stage last weekend better with that thing than any of my guns and it was my first time shooting it.
Not that I’ll probably ever own one, the price tag is heart stopping, but it was really ridiculously good
 
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Floyd I ran my buddies Staccato last weekend and was completely blown away by it. It’s stunning how good every last piece of it is, but all of it together was really a thing of beauty. I haven’t shot anything that’s even close to it, but I haven’t shot many pistols that were at that level of precision so I don’t really have much to compare it to.

All my stuff is sub1k pistols aside from a few Sigs I have and I shot through a stage last weekend better with that thing than any of my guns and it was my first time shooting it.
Not that I’ll probably ever own one, the price tag is heart stopping, but it was really ridiculously good
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I have buddies who have the SA Prodigy. It's no Staccato though. I shot one once and it is definitely in it's own class. I have an aversion to 9mm 1911s myself. I have several 1911s, mostly old Colts, a Para Ordinance and a Filipino Charles Daly. All .45 ACP. If I was after another one it would be a custom Wilson. I started in on the strikers though, discovered HKs and never looked back. I have , eh, more than one and less than ten of them. Only one is a sub 1k pistol, but they're worth the scratch. A few months ago I did discover a great pistol that's downright cheap. IWI Masada S. It's about the size of a P365XL and outclasses it as far as I'm concerned. And they run about $450 new. I've put close to 2k rounds through it in the last 3 months and it's definitely a "Going to war" pistol. Stupid accurate, thin and light with 13 rd. capacity and a full grip. I did put a Talon grip on it. Other than that it's bone stock. Well, I put a 507k on it. Mounts directly to the slide. Has a really good trigger too. Only strikers close in that department are the VP9s and the Walthers. With the quality, weight and capacity of current tier one strikers I don't see myself carrying a 1911 again any time soon.
 
Inexperienced people shouldn't touch guns without supervision, especially a reporter doing it for the first time on camera. I'm not sure I'd shoot at anything within five yards with a 5.56 NATO round.
 
theclev said:
Inexperienced people shouldn't touch guns without supervision, especially a reporter doing it for the first time on camera. I'm not sure I'd shoot at anything within five yards with a 5.56 NATO round.
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Why not ? You're walking around in the sand and some dudes pop up like a mad max movie 14' away from you. You gonna ask them to move back before you slag 'em ? There's a good reason to be careful with steel at close distances. Soft tissue or paper or wood, meh, blast away.
 
Floyd Eye said:
Why not ? You're walking around in the sand and some dudes pop up like a mad max movie 14' away from you. You gonna ask them to move back before you slag 'em ? There's a good reason to be careful with steel at close distances. Soft tissue or paper or wood, meh, blast away.
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I doubt I'll ever be in that position, not being in the military or law enforcement. Most of my shooting is done in the woods or at the range, where I wouldn't shoot at something that close because it wouldn't be any fun. If I were to ever actually shoot at someone, it would be in self defense...and an AR-15 would probably be among my last choices for an EDC gun.
 
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theclev said:
I doubt I'll ever be in that position, not being in the military or law enforcement. Most of my shooting is done in the woods or at the range, where I wouldn't shoot at something that close because it wouldn't be any fun. If I were to ever actually shoot at someone, it would be in self defense...and an AR-15 would probably be among my last choices for an EDC gun.
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I'm just guessing you've never taken any carbine classes or ran any transition drills.

No one is talking about an AR as an EDC.

Expand your horizons. If you have an AR-15 and you're just shooting at targets off a bench you may as well save yourself a lot of money and just get a 10/22.
 
Floyd Eye said:
I'm just guessing you've never taken any carbine classes or ran any transition drills.

No one is talking about an AR as an EDC.

Expand your horizons. If you have an AR-15 and you're just shooting at targets off a bench you may as well save yourself a lot of money and just get a 10/22.
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No thanks. Occasional target shooting and annual deer hunts are enough for me. I'm more of an AK guy than an AR guy, anyway. And wouldn't hunt with either.
 
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