Detailed Review: 2005 Marshall Limited Edition Silver JCM 2000 DSL

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Thanks again for all the comments and suggestions regarding this amp prior to purchase. As I like like to do, thought I would offer a detailed review now that I have put the amp through the paces for a few days. So here goes:

Channel One Cleans: Big surprise here, I have to say the cleans on this amp are actually really good. Certainly not a Roland JC120, Fender Twin or even a Mesa Lonestar but very usable and better than about 70% of the high gain amps I have owned. With the EQ dialed in correctly and the reverb floating near noon it's a very usable sound. Again, pleasantly surprised by this one.

Channel One Crunch: I really like this channel for blues up to 70's style classic rock. It accomplishes this task more convincingly that my other two current amps (Koch & Diezel) primarily because those just have too modern of a voicing to sound authentic in this purpose. Many may disagree, but for me there isn't enough gain, attack or attitude in the JCM 2000 crunch channel (even with the gain and presence pushed) to give me a satisfying 80's hard rock / metal sound. Now, when I added the MXR WA44 Overdrive (that I acquired specifically to pair with this amp) as a boost, a whole new world opened up. With the amp gain set to about 3/4, and the pedal using lots of output but a conservative amount of gain the sound is BRILLIANT in a very Nuno kind of way; tight, aggressive, punchy, articulate with those white hot, grinding upper mids. With these heads trading between $800 and $1000 used, this sound is probably worth the price of admission alone.

Channel Two Lead One: Unlike the the crunch channel, I did get some great 80"s style metal tones with the gain set at about 3/4 and the presence and mids pushed a little. This channel has the crunch and sizzle that the crunch channel lacks and is pretty fun for aggressive 80"s and 90's style riffing. Not super tight of hi-fi the way we have come to understand today's high-gain amplifiers but plenty of gain for anything preceding the "modern" metal era. I backed the gain off to about noon and again hit the front end with the MXR WA44, made a few adjustments and I had seriously aggressive thrash tone in spades. Literally like Slayer in a box.

Channel Two Lead Two: I had some fun with the over the top, "wild pony" gain on this channel, but it's pretty wooly and messy overall. The mids sound "crowded" and there's probably too much compression for that clear, open and pesent Marshall high-gain sound that most of us love. I tried backing down the gain and once again adding the boost and it didn't sound bad necessarily, but it did not hold up to the Lead One channel, or the Crunch boosted.

Overall Conclusion: To give this review some Marshall context, I have owned a JCM800 amd a JVM410H in the past. While I could not compare them side by side, I spent a lot of time with those amps, so I have a good recollection for comparison and reference. Also, I am typically not a player that uses anything in front of his amps, so I did not boost either of those previously owned Marshalls. Now, we can likely agree that only a JCM800 does what a JCM800 does; But I have to tell you this amp comes VERY close, and it is significantly more flexible. This may sound like tone sacrilege, but If I could only have one Marshall I may take the JCM 2000 DSL over a your average JCM800. Speaking of flexibility, this amp does not hold up well against the JVM410H in that category, but it may beat it in certain respects. I think it does a stronger JCM800 imitation and the boosted Crunch and Lead One channels will be favored by some players over the JVM's OD1 orange and red modes; Primarily because the 2000 more closely embodies that classic, searing high-gain (think early Accept) sound that many have come to love on 80's and 90's metal records. If your looking for more modern high-gain Marshall flavors, the JVM takes the trophy there for sure. If you took away my access to a boost and I had to choose between the two; I would probably go with the JVM410H based on flexibility and access to more modern high-gain tones. Am I happy with this acquisition? Absolutely. Is it the best Marshall on the market? That depends on your purposes and tastes, but probably not. That said, if you are looking for several classic Marshall sound in one box, and a very usable clean sound as a bonus, the JCM 2000 DSL is going to be tough to beat considering the price. Final notes: I really like the Deep switch engaged across all channels, it thickens up the bass and low-mids nicely without softening the overall tightness too much. And I stay away from the Tone Shift switch. I understand what they were going for here, but it sucks all the "Marshall" out of a Marshall in regards to those grinding upper mids.

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I owned the exact same amp.

Loved it.

But.....liked my 2555x, 2204, 2203 and Vintage Modern a bit more, so sold it off.

Great amps though.
 
you can find 100H's in the $500 range, as i always say its just silly not to have one for that price. super solid amps
Well, unless you have significantly BETTER sounding Marshalls. Then you have no need for a DSL.

But, if you aren't a Marshall guy, then by all means a DSL will get the job done.
 
you can find 100H's in the $500 range, as i always say its just silly not to have one for that price. super solid amps
I can see it being good to have if you need a practical back up or something to gig with, but if you don’t and already have a great vintage 2203/4 then it just becomes extra space taken up in the house (in my case very crowded already) that I don’t see justified. To me that’s like saying if you have mark iic+ it’s silly not to have a mark iii for $800-900 (back when they went for those prices pre-covid), but when the hell will you actually use it vs a c+
 
I can see it being good to have if you need a practical back up or something to gig with, but if you don’t and already have a great vintage 2203/4 then it just becomes extra space taken up in the house (in my case very crowded already) that I don’t see justified. To me that’s like saying if you have mark iic+ it’s silly not to have a mark iii for $800-900 (back when they went for those prices pre-covid), but when the hell will you actually use them vs the c+

im not sure why it would be silly to have a iii alongside a iic+, many people do, like Metallica in 90. You and Racer must have the seriously magical marshalls cause you guys are really the only ones i see anywhere that make DSL's out to be these barely usable back up only space takers.
 
im not sure why it would be silly to have a iii alongside a iic+, many people do, like Metallica in 90. You and Racer must have the seriously magical marshalls cause you guys are really the only ones i see anywhere that make DSL's out to be these barely usable back up only space takers.
I think it just depends on one’s needs. If I was an only mark or boogie guy I could see myself having a iii or iv as well since there’s room for it, or similar if I were an only Marshall guy, but would go instead probably with a 2210, 2205 or jubilee as a good practical alternative, but I like pretty much every flavor tone/amp as long as it’s a good enough version of it, so I just don’t feel it’s worth what’s already so overcrowded in space for a not as good version of an amp

I don’t think any of my Marshall’s are freakishly special and I think dsl’s can sound plenty good (I’ve even gotten some nice compliments playing one in the past). It’s just that in all the AB contexts I’ve done with other Marshall’s and other amps I felt sounded better, I couldn’t justify personally any reason to need a dsl other than it being affordable and easily replaceable. In comparison it got exposed to me where it was lacking as did mark iii’s, iv’s, v’s, jp2c’s and 7’s vs iic+’s. I’ve done my homework of in-person AB comparisons and having cheaper alternatives just isn’t very exciting for me. Playing that one real '70's Dumble ODS also ruined me because I'll probably never be able to afford one, but now trying any other Dumble style amp since then has been uninspiring and wouldn't want them
 
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You can’t take your subjective opinion and treat it as fact. There is no ‘better’, just different. Gary Moore and Jeff Beck played these amps for decades, that should be good enough justification for anybody
I don’t care what other guys use. My opinions are solely based on playing the amps in person and comparing them to my benchmarks and it’s redundant to say it’s my opinion. In terms of what I feel are universally good tonal qualities in any musical instrument period such as overall richness/complexity in tone, clarity, detail, how well do notes connect on leads, melodies, how punchy or powerful does it sound, etc, I personally found DSL’s to be in most of those departments inferior to other amps in AB contexts that were my benchmarks and I don’t consider amps to sound better because they’re a great value. I try my best to judge gear independently of what it costs or how attainable it is. Most likely those guys also used them in either case for practicality of it not being as big of a deal if it gets damaged or stolen at their gigs

And with that all being said, I still think the dsl is a good overall sounding amp, but if price isn’t a factor and one wants as good of an amp as they can get without needing to worry about practicality then I see no reason to need dsl’s. JMO, YMMV as always. But seriously play any DSL vs a Naylor, Steavens Poundcake, Cameron, or a good stock late ‘70’s JMP2203/4 or many other good ‘70’s, ‘80’s Marshall’s and try to justify how this amp sounds in anyway worthwhile vs any of them. What does it bring to the table soundwise that they don’t have? The only thing I can see is bang for the buck and that’s just not that inspiring
 
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That silver tolex is cool AF.
Thanks brother. I'm a sucker for cosmetics (like a lot of us here)...And this might be the coolest looking half stack I have seen. The color combo just kinda works...Similar to silverburst guitars (which I have several).
 
You can’t take your subjective opinion and treat it as fact. There is no ‘better’, just different. Gary Moore and Jeff Beck played these amps for decades, that should be good enough justification for anybody
Yeah...When I was researching this amp I was surprised how many guys with stellar taste in tone made the DSL part of their arsenal and live rigs...Lynch included. Below is a video that (for me) is a pretty accurate reflection on how this amp sounds in the room.



I'm not saying this is the greatest Mashall flavored amp this side of the Mississippi...But if this demo doesn't sound like very solid Marshall tone to your ears, then we just would have to agree to disagree.
 
Yeah...When I was researching this amp I was surprised how many guys with stellar taste in tone made the DSL part of their arsenal and live rigs...Lynch included. Below is a video that (for me) is a pretty accurate reflection on how this amp sounds in the room.



I'm not saying this is the greatest Mashall flavored amp this side of the Mississippi...But if this demo doesn't sound like very solid Marshall tone to your ears, then we just would have to agree to disagree.

I agree with you on all. It sounds very solid and like how I remember DSL's sounding IME too. Apologies also for getting off topic or coming off negative. I just can get passionate when conversing about gear and sometimes can get carried away, but it's all just my honest thoughts
 
But seriously play any DSL vs a Naylor
I’ll never have a Cameron and I’ve never heard of a pound cake but I did have a Naylor while I had a DSL. Again, different, not better. Vintage Marshalls—COMPLETELY different. I liked the DSL more than the SLX…a lot more. I actually picked up another SLX b/c I kept reading how great they were on forums and thought I had a lemon. Nope. Just people on forums reading that “all tube signal path” is “better” and regurgitating it.

Now maybe the newer DSLs sound different—all the ones I had were 95-05 JCM2k versions. One I did need to have the amp guy fix cause it had the bias issue but other than that I beat the crap out of it for a decade. I truly think it would shock a lot of people how many mistakes would be made if you did true blind tests straight from a sm57 in front of a cab. I know you don’t care what other people use but you have to admit an artist like Jeff Beck is not going to tour for years and years with an amp that lacks “overall richness/complexity in tone, clarity, detail”
 
I agree with you on all. It sounds very solid and like how I remember DSL's sounding IME too. Apologies also for getting off topic or coming off negative. I just can get passionate when conversing about gear and sometimes can get carried away, but it's all just my honest thoughts
No apologies required brother...I think many of us are here to be honest, opinionated and passionate about gear and I always enjoy your posts. I'll be honest myself, what originally attracted me to this particular halfstack was its cosmetic appearance and that it was a very limited edition. In researching before purchase, I surprised to discover that many guitarists found this amp to be very underrated and it was used by some well known players that are known to be particular about tone. I have owned, and currently own a few expensive, boutique amps and I agree that the JCM 2000 does not hold up to them in terms of depth, richness, sonic detail and that super "hi-fi" quality many of us seek. But it does have "that sound"...that familiar, meat and potatoes Marshall high-gain grind. It does this very, very well in my opinion. A similar comparison might be a Diezel Herbert, by comparison to a stock Peavey 5150 for modern metal applications. The Herbert is going to look, feel and sound very rich, polished, deep and....well, expensive. That said, the 5150 that you pick up used on Craigslist for $800 is going to do "that thing" that we have heard on many records. And the Herbert may not do "that thing" as well as the 5150. For me this amp scratched my 70's, 80's and 90's Marshall tone itch. Am I making any sense at all?
 
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