Diezel 4x12 connecting question....

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So,

Yesterday I picked up a Diezel 4x12. The dude I bought it from ran two cables out of his head (VH4) into the cab. I have heard of this but it usually has been not good. He said, I have learned years ago that running both outputs of a mono tube head helps the output transformer run more efficiently. He then said, it could be myth but that is how I have been doing it for years.

I have a gig coming up and due to limited stage space I will only be using the VH4 and the 4x. Just wanna get your thoughts on running the cab like this. Thanks crew and :rock: on.
 
Damn good question.
I figured the 2 inputs on the Diezel cab were for the VH4 STEREO head :confused:
 
jonl":2r4ineii said:
Was his vh4 a vh4s?

Regular 4. I even sent him an e-mail to confirm that I was not seeing things at the time. I know a guy that fried the plate/input jack on a Marshall cab by doing this.
 
jonl":2tekq7t1 said:
If your head is mono run it with one cable only

Why?

What if you're running multiple cabs? That's why the amp has multiple output jacks in the first place... I see no harm in running a single stereo cab from a mono amp with each side split to its own output jack. As long as your impedances are matched properly there shouldn't be an issue.
 
FourT6and2":2i7nc7g2 said:
jonl":2i7nc7g2 said:
If your head is mono run it with one cable only

Why?

What if you're running multiple cabs? That's why the amp has multiple output jacks in the first place... I see no harm in running a single stereo cab from a mono amp with each side split to its own output jack. As long as your impedances are matched properly there shouldn't be an issue.


True,
But why would you want to run it that way(just askin)
 
FourT6and2":2roj7x9d said:
jonl":2roj7x9d said:
If your head is mono run it with one cable only

Why?

What if you're running multiple cabs? That's why the amp has multiple output jacks in the first place... I see no harm in running a single stereo cab from a mono amp with each side split to its own output jack. As long as your impedances are matched properly there shouldn't be an issue.

That is what I was thinking as well. He had it connected with the two out's (in the middle) from the head.
 
To change the ohms from 8 mono to 4 in stereo. Some will say that changes the tone and changes the load on the amp trannies.......

I am not getting into that discussion of which is better. :thumbsup:
 
MOOSEHEADS":3o6kg7m5 said:
To change the ohms from 8 mono to 4 in stereo. Some will say that changes the tone and changes the load on the amp trannies.......

I am not getting into that discussion of which is better. :thumbsup:

It DOES change the load on the amp's transformer. And it DOES change the tone. Those facts aren't in question. It's no different than running two 2x12s. What I'm questioning is the presumption that it is somehow harmful to the amplifier, when it is not. Why someone would want to do that is up to them. But I see no harm in it. I sometimes run my 1x12 Einstein combo with an additional 1x12 extension cab. I simply run the amp via two 8 ohm jacks instead of one 16. It makes no difference to the amp. It doesn't seem to mind...

Statements like, "if your head is mono, run it with one cable/jack only" are baseless.
 
If I am running one 4x12 cab I am going to run only one cable to it in the mono input.
If I am running two 4x12 cabs then I will run both of them with one cable to each cab in mono.

I do not run two cables in the stereo inputs of one 4x12 from a mono head......

I guess you could do that if you wanted to and I thought that was the original guestion.

There is a difference in 2 sets of 2x12 in one cab and 2 sets of 2x12 cabs to me.

I am just not smart enough to tell anyone the difference. :doh: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:
 
MOOSEHEADS":1w9g8b7i said:
I do not run two cables in the stereo inputs of one 4x12 from a mono head......

I guess you could do that if you wanted to and I thought that was the original guestion.

Yes. That WAS the original question. But those implying that it is somehow bad or harmful to do so are wrong. Personally, I wouldn't do it either. But maybe there's a reason for someone else to want to. Just don't go around spreading misinformation about how you shouldn't do this or that.
 
FourT6and2":3w4zh2qj said:
MOOSEHEADS":3w4zh2qj said:
I do not run two cables in the stereo inputs of one 4x12 from a mono head......

I guess you could do that if you wanted to and I thought that was the original guestion.

Yes. That WAS the original question. But those implying that it is somehow bad or harmful to do so are wrong. Personally, I wouldn't do it either. But maybe there's a reason for someone else to want to. Just don't go around spreading misinformation about how you shouldn't do this or that.

If you are implying that I am "spreading misinformation" then I am going to apologize to the OP. :confused:

Hopefully someday we ALL will be as INFORMED as you. :thumbsup:

I have already started trying to be more like you........by being CONDESCENDING in my reply's to posts. ;)


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I will give a word of caution to someone that does the 2 cable method, and this goes without saying, be sure the cab is a stereo cab. :rock:
 
MOOSEHEADS":2h74nzco said:
FourT6and2":2h74nzco said:
MOOSEHEADS":2h74nzco said:
I do not run two cables in the stereo inputs of one 4x12 from a mono head......

I guess you could do that if you wanted to and I thought that was the original guestion.

Yes. That WAS the original question. But those implying that it is somehow bad or harmful to do so are wrong. Personally, I wouldn't do it either. But maybe there's a reason for someone else to want to. Just don't go around spreading misinformation about how you shouldn't do this or that.

If you are implying that I am "spreading misinformation" then I am going to apologize to the OP. :confused:

Hopefully someday we ALL will be as INFORMED as you. :thumbsup:

I have already started trying to be more like you........by being CONDESCENDING in my reply's to posts. ;)


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I will give a word of caution to someone that does the 2 cable method, and this goes without saying, be sure the cab is a stereo cab. :rock:

I wasn't being condescending. That would be you projecting. Especially since you are not the person whose comments I was referring to...

Before one gives advice, one should make sure they know what they're talking about. And if someone gives misleading advice, others will speak up. Especially when someone says, "Don't do XYZ. It is bad." And then doesn't actually explain the how's and why's. That's not advice, is it.

But yes, it would be a good idea to make sure the cab is stereo first... :)
 
I'm sorry that my help towards the original post wasn't up to your standards.
All I was trying to do is help, I knew it was safe to run the head with one cable.
I did not know if 2 was safe, I never said 2 was wrong...
I was just trying to get the dude up and running sheesh!
It's one thing to know it all, but its another to be a know it all with Internet attitude.

No need to be like that dude
 
I've tried my herbert in both configurations, and I absolutely preferred running it mono. Clearly it's not hard on the transformer to run it mono, considering the fact that it is a mono head. My suggestion is try it both ways and go with whichever sounds better to you!
 
Did you say something?
I was toobusy drooling over your avitar to notice
 
jonl":1zun9gvm said:
I'm sorry that my help towards the original post wasn't up to your standards.
All I was trying to do is help, I knew it was safe to run the head with one cable.
I did not know if 2 was safe, I never said 2 was wrong...
I was just trying to get the dude up and running sheesh!
It's one thing to know it all, but its another to be a know it all with Internet attitude.

No need to be like that dude

There was zero subtext to my posts.
 
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