Diezel Einstein - Anybody using one? Midrange issues

[Random Hero]

So I picked up an Einstein combo in a trade around 6 weeks ago and have gigged it pretty heavily since. The conclusion I've come to is that whilst I do think it sounds cool, it seems a little hollow in the midrange unless I crank the mids all the way up. Feel is very nice, it's pretty versatile especially with the mod, but it doesn't cut like something like a Marshall.

Is anybody here using one? Thoughts?

 

[psche378]

Isn't that kind of the diezel sound? I know that's supposed to be one of their more versatile amps but I feel you get that with a lot of modern metal high gain monsters the other channels are effected but the overall scooped and dark nature of the amp. I have more experience with Engl's in this department but I think the same may apply. The Einstein seems like a killer head though and has intrigued me for awhile

 

[psche378]

ever think of using a mxr 10-band eq in the front of the amp to boost some midrange frequencies kinda like a mark v does might be useful in the loop as well each adds a drastically different effect gotta play around. Im sure your familiar with it probably don't have to explain lol I can't live without one though alot of amps would have been tossed without that magic pedal

 

[lespaul6]

Unfortunately you will never get that Marshall midrange knock from a diezel.. its a good bass amp tho lol

 

[cardinal]

I posted this on TGP, but with my VH4s, turning the deep knob completely off might do the trick for you. That's how ended up running them. There's still plenty of thump, but it let's the mids and highs "pop" much more clearly IMHO. I think I had to turned the presence back a bit too when running the deep knob off, or it was too bright.

 

[Anonymous]

What speakers are you using?
Those German voiced amps (Diezel, Engl, Bogner, Framus, etc.) benefit from Vintage 30's or other speakers that emphasize higher mids

 

[Badronald]

Isn't that kind of the diezel sound? I know that's supposed to be one of their more versatile amps but I feel you get that with a lot of modern metal high gain monsters the other channels are effected but the overall scooped and dark nature of the amp. I have more experience with engl's in this department but I think the same may apply. The Einstein seems like a killer head though and has intrigued me for awhile

It might be with some high gain amps. However my Triple Rec will slice through any band mix and thump the entire band if I'm not careful. It's certainly a high gain amp.

This seems to be a common topic with Diezel threads though. I couldn't say. I've never used one with a band.

 

[carlygtr]

It's the voicing of the amp.

 

[Racerxrated]

ever think of using a mxr 10-band eq in the front of the amp to boost some midrange frequencies kinda like a mark v does might be useful in the loop as well each adds a drastically different effect gotta play around. Im sure your familiar with it probably don't have to explain lol I can't live without one though alot of amps would have been tossed without that magic pedal

I do this with every amp. I run my presence up, mids at 4 and treble 4 bass maxed and then run an eq pedal in front with the mids boosted. The mids are still there but they become less nasal? At least that's how it sounds with my Marshalls. My Jubilee is a darker tone(for a Marshall anyway) and boosting the mids back in with a pedal changes the nature of the midrange..they seem to be a little more subtle but still present. A cheap 20$ Danelectro eq pedal works great with all my amps..I also have a Boss GE7 that works great too. Haven't had the pleasure of a Diezel yet but in a few weeks I'm gonna show up at soundcheck at a friend's show here in Wi..he has a VH4 and a AFD 100 that he runs together and I'm gonna play through it for a minute...looking forward to hearing the mighty VH4..

 

[thiswaythatway]

It's the voicing of the amp.

Exactly. It's got too much sag and it's dark. It might sound decent on V30's but I tried it on an old Marshall 4x12 with old 65's. Mesa's and Marshalls sound Godly on those old Marshall cabs and honestly the Einstein sounded like a turd on it.

 

[thiswaythatway]

Isn't that kind of the diezel sound? I know that's supposed to be one of their more versatile amps but I feel you get that with a lot of modern metal high gain monsters the other channels are effected but the overall scooped and dark nature of the amp. I have more experience with engl's in this department but I think the same may apply. The Einstein seems like a killer head though and has intrigued me for awhile

It might be with some high gain amps. However my Triple Rec will slice through any band mix and thump the entire band if I'm not careful. It's certainly a high gain amp.

This seems to be a common topic with Diezel threads though. I couldn't say. I've never used one with a band.

The common topic among Diezel threads is that your Triple Recto works great as a door stop. I do think that's BS because a properly dialed in Recto with a simple TS808 can stomp anything for heavy stuff.

 

[FourT6and2]

If you get the sound you like with the mids cranked, what's the problem? Just crank those mids. Or do you have a problem, visually, with the mid knob being higher than the others? If it's on Channel 1, maybe I can understand because it's shared EQ and maybe you want one mode to have more mids and another with less? But regardless, for me, Tte mids are usually maxed out on every amp I use anyway. I have an Einstein Combo as well and I generally run the mids at 100% too. Same thing on Marshalls. Same thing on my Peters.

You could try dropping the bass and deep/depth a bit as well as the gain (maybe 12:00 - 1:00) and you'll get more of a mid-range emphasis.

But that's the Diezel sound. They have lots of low end and low mids. But maybe try these EQ settings:

For high-gain on Channel 1, Mode 3:

Presence: 11:00
Depth: 9:30
Master: To Taste, but at least 10:00
Volume: 12:00
Treble: 11:30 - 1:00
Mid: Maxed Out
Bass: 10:00
Gain: 2:30

Same settings would work on Channel 2 as well. But it will be more compressed and more gain. I'd drop the gain down to like 12:00 on this channel.

 

[Badronald]

Isn't that kind of the diezel sound? I know that's supposed to be one of their more versatile amps but I feel you get that with a lot of modern metal high gain monsters the other channels are effected but the overall scooped and dark nature of the amp. I have more experience with engl's in this department but I think the same may apply. The Einstein seems like a killer head though and has intrigued me for awhile

It might be with some high gain amps. However my Triple Rec will slice through any band mix and thump the entire band if I'm not careful. It's certainly a high gain amp.

This seems to be a common topic with Diezel threads though. I couldn't say. I've never used one with a band.

The common topic among Diezel threads is that your Triple Recto works great as a door stop. I do think that's BS because a properly dialed in Recto with a simple TS808 can stomp anything for heavy stuff.

Haha. I can think of hundreds of songs/albums that sound incredible with Boogies.
I have yet to hear something recorded that sounds as good with a Diezel.

Can someone please direct me towards an amazing sounding album recorded with a Diezel? Don't say Tool. Something not mixed with a Marshall. Please. I'd love to hear one.

FYI. I've played a VH4 and I thought it was killer. Great amp.

 

[Random Hero]

It's the 1x12, so it has a V30. Still sounds scooped. Tried the deep off thing and it's definitely an improvement but it loses a little... depth, becomes flatter. The deep knob sounds like it's also cranking up the lower midrange to me and along with a boosted presence, it seems to act like a dual band 'loudness' control. Big smiley face.

If you get the sound you like with the mids cranked, what's the problem? Just crank those mids. Or do you have a problem, visually, with the mid knob being higher than the others? If it's on Channel 1, maybe I can understand because it's shared EQ and maybe you want one mode to have more mids and another with less? But regardless, for me, Tte mids are usually maxed out on every amp I use anyway. I have an Einstein Combo as well and I generally run the mids at 100% too. Same thing on Marshalls. Same thing on my Peters.

You could try dropping the bass and deep/depth a bit as well as the gain (maybe 12:00 - 1:00) and you'll get more of a mid-range emphasis.

But that's the Diezel sound. They have lots of low end and low mids. But maybe try these EQ settings:

For high-gain on Channel 1, Mode 3:

Presence: 11:00
Depth: 9:30
Master: To Taste, but at least 10:00
Volume: 12:00
Treble: 11:30 - 1:00
Mid: Maxed Out
Bass: 10:00
Gain: 2:30

Same settings would work on Channel 2 as well. But it will be more compressed and more gain. I'd drop the gain down to like 12:00 on this channel.

Well, various issues with cranking the mids to full. Visually? No. The clean mode doesn't spank in the same way being the obvious one but I tune the amp to the room. What if I'm still not cutting? There's literally nowhere left to go when you max something, which I think is a bit of a concern.

 

[carlygtr]

Crank the mids. Lower bass. I wonder why guys run their bass so high as it obscures the other frequencies.

 

[Inca Roads]

So I picked up an Einstein combo in a trade around 6 weeks ago and have gigged it pretty heavily since. The conclusion I've come to is that whilst I do think it sounds cool, it seems a little hollow in the midrange unless I crank the mids all the way up. Feel is very nice, it's pretty versatile especially with the mod, but it doesn't cut like something like a Marshall.

Is anybody here using one? Thoughts?

Dump the Einstein and get a D-Moll.
Presence Up, Deep/Bass Low, Mid's Up.
The D-Moll has a more Open/Organic Voicing,
much Less Compressed & Processed/Hi-Fi & Dark
sounding. The Mid-Range is Greater than the
Herbert/Einstein but has a Mid-Cut Switch
that can bring you into Herbert Territory with
Ease. Channel 3 of the D-Moll is very close to
Channel 3 of the VH4.
I've owned every Diezel amp except for the New
Models (Lil Fokker) etc...and the Einstein was my
Least favorite!

 

[Inca Roads]

Adam jones only tracks with the Diezels. (per Peter Stapfer)
Listen to 10'000 days, it's all Diezel.

Doesn't Jaymez Het Track with a VH4 also?

 

[Racerxrated]

Isn't that kind of the diezel sound? I know that's supposed to be one of their more versatile amps but I feel you get that with a lot of modern metal high gain monsters the other channels are effected but the overall scooped and dark nature of the amp. I have more experience with engl's in this department but I think the same may apply. The Einstein seems like a killer head though and has intrigued me for awhile

It might be with some high gain amps. However my Triple Rec will slice through any band mix and thump the entire band if I'm not careful. It's certainly a high gain amp.

This seems to be a common topic with Diezel threads though. I couldn't say. I've never used one with a band.

The common topic among Diezel threads is that your Triple Recto works great as a door stop. I do think that's BS because a properly dialed in Recto with a simple TS808 can stomp anything for heavy stuff.

Haha. I can think of hundreds of songs/albums that sound incredible with Boogies.
I have yet to hear something recorded that sounds as good with a Diezel.

Can someone please direct me towards an amazing sounding album recorded with a Diezel? Don't say Tool. Something not mixed with a Marshall. Please. I'd love to hear one.

FYI. I've played a VH4 and I thought it was killer. Great amp.

Adam jones only tracks with the Diezels. (per Peter Stapfer)
Listen to 10'000 days, it's all Diezel.

Pretty sure for that album he used his VH4, Marshall Superbass, a Rivera(not sure which) and I think 4 other amps including a Peavey of some kind? There was a LONG thread about that recorded tone a while ago, not sure which forum though. But either way that tone on 'The Pot' is one of my favorite tones ever...but the consensus from people who have pretty close ties to the engineer was that 7 amps were blended but that the Marshall and Diezel were like 80% of the tone you hear on that album. But I'm just remembering what I read...when I saw them live 2 years ago it was '76 Marshall and VH4..

 

[duesentrieb]

Just see a tech and Peter will show him how to replace exactly two parts .....

 

[Random Hero]

Hi Olaf. To achieve what?