Diezel Einstein questions

[darkhorse]

Hello everyone,
Really nice forum, with alot of useful info. Please help the Noob...
Looking into buying an Einstein 100W head. I tried it out a couple of days ago and fell in love with the tone. Looking to match it up with a 2x12. At the store i tried a VHT cab and another 2x12, but cant recall the name. I really liked the VHT cab matched with the Diezel head, but i have nothing else to compare it to, as the place only had those 2x12 cabs. I play mostly covers that range from classic rock tunes to Metallica, i'm also into the shred instumental stuff Satch, Vai etc.
Are there any recomendations in terms of which cabs to use, and what to stay away from?
Just for the record the VHT cab that i tried out was about 100 euro less then the Diezel 2x12, would i be better off matching it with the Diezel cab? I know the best thing would be to try the combinations myself but that is not possible.
Oh, and another question concerning the Einstein, is it true that the mode on the first channel effect the 2nd channel as well?
I read somewhere that you should avoid having the mode set to texas or mega cause it affects your lead channel (channel 2).
That would suck, if i want that awesome crunch from texas mode on channel one and then i want to switch to my lead to shred.
Thanx.
D.

 

[Hard&Heavy]

The vht is a good cab but I would go for the diezel cab. And the first channel does not effect the 2nd in any way.

 

[eddiespaghetty]

Excuse me, but I absolutely disagree.
Settings on channel 1 effects channel 2 slightly, but noticeable. For me channel 2 iis the best, when channel one is in crunch mode, it is well saturated but not too thick (some like it, when channel one is in clean mode though).

Best is, you check it out yourself, what works best for you!

Greetings

ed

 

[synchu]

^I've never thought about trying this. Thanks Eddie!!!

If Papa joins to enlighten us on the subject - it will be great as well ...

 

[reussen]

Hmm... I've not played my Einstein through a Diezel 212... yet! My current setup includes a Bogner 212 with Vintage 30's; I could not be happier with the sound. The Bogner has a nice woody and organic sound, that compliments the Einstein for what I play (mostly rock, no metal).

Never played a VHT, but I'm pretty sure ANY cab will sound different. As anyone on here will tell you: you really need to try for yourself. If you like the sound: stick with it. Seems frontloaded cabs are more "direct" sounding than rearloaded cabs. Open back or closed back makes a lot of difference as well; mine's 1/3 open. It makes the overall sound more balanced and it helps get rid of projection. And of course there are the speakers....

So many options, so little time and money...

 

[Halikus]

I'm sure the channel bleed thing has been addressed before, but yes it is there and, yes(at least to my ears) all settings on channel one have a slight bearing on channel 2.

 

[moltenmetalburn]

Excuse me, but I absolutely disagree.
Settings on channel 1 effects channel 2 slightly, but noticeable. For me channel 2 iis the best, when channel one is in crunch mode, it is well saturated but not too thick (some like it, when channel one is in clean mode though).

Best is, you check it out yourself, what works best for you!

Greetings

ed

+1

the settings of channel one directly effect the sound of channel two.

I use my Einstein wit ha Port City 2x12OS loaded with Tone Tubby Hempcone ceramic speakers, i love it!

 

[Serviani]

If Papa joins to enlighten us on the subject - it will be great as well ...

Absolutely!

The modes on channel 1 do affect channel 2 as well,like having 2 channels with 3 different and another 3 slightly different modes.

Peter i'm sure you have already realized that giving the player so many options,which is great of course,and not giving him the option to switch to and from every mode,may either turn a potential buyer away or an already owner feel the need to mod the amp more, as one would experience all the possibilities through time.

Referring to channel 2 and the modes i would really like some thoughts from you on what was your initial goal with that.

 

[Hard&Heavy]

Well I guess that my einstein must be different because no matter what I do on channel 1 does not effect channel 2 and my ears are good to go. And I have spent alot of hours on her.

 

[PBGas]

Well I guess that my einstein must be different because no matter what I do on channel 1 does not effect channel 2 and my ears are good to go. And I have spent alot of hours on her.

Listen at varied levels. I've tried another one and it was the same......Either that or judging by that amazing WALL of sound you have there, your hearing is cooked!

What a great rig!!!!

 

[darkhorse]

Excuse me, but I absolutely disagree.
Settings on channel 1 effects channel 2 slightly, but noticeable. For me channel 2 iis the best, when channel one is in crunch mode, it is well saturated but not too thick (some like it, when channel one is in clean mode though).

Best is, you check it out yourself, what works best for you!

Greetings

ed

+1

the settings of channel one directly effect the sound of channel two.

I use my Einstein wit ha Port City 2x12OS loaded with Tone Tubby Hempcone ceramic speakers, i love it!

Then what s the point of having 2 independent channels? if the settings on 1 affect channel 2?


BTW, thanx everyone for your help.

 

[slyvren]

I have this head and I agree. The "mode" setting on channel one effects channel 2. It sounds/feels like its a compression setting. It doesn't totally change the sound. I think the idea is if you're using a more distorted rhythm sound you need more 'compression' to cut through the mix when you switch to your lead channel. The tone isn't insanely different, and I feel the decision was a good one because it usually compliments the rhythm channel selected better...


my 2 cents.

 

[darkhorse]

I have this head and I agree. The "mode" setting on channel one effects channel 2. It sounds/feels like its a compression setting. It doesn't totally change the sound. I think the idea is if you're using a more distorted rhythm sound you need more 'compression' to cut through the mix when you switch to your lead channel. The tone isn't insanely different, and I feel the decision was a good one because it usually compliments the rhythm channel selected better...


my 2 cents.

Interesting take on the issue, thanx.

 

[Marvel]

Then what s the point of having 2 independent channels? if the settings on 1 affect channel 2?

Because channel 1 is different from channel 2. And you probably wouldn't notice that the channel 1 affects 2 if you hadn't read about it. So just don't listen to urban legends but check it out by yourself.

I read somewhere Peter is a little sorry he mounted the switch for channel 1. If he hadn't, there wouldn't be a problem. And you would have only one option in Ch1.

Marcin

 

[Halikus]

One thing we need to be clear about is that the effect of the settings on channel 1 on the sound of channel 2 are very subtle its not like a completely different tone or anything it just changes some of the nuances of the tone on channel 2.

On a side note its a good job Peter left the mode switch on channel 1 or there's not a chance in heck id have bought the Einstein when mine popped up. One of the things I loved about the amp was the fact Channel 1 could radically change depending on the rhythm sound I need for a particular song. I then get that gorgeous middy brownish lead tone from channel 2 which just hits all the right spots sonically.

 

[smdb]

One thing we need to be clear about is that the effect of the settings on channel 1 on the sound of channel 2 are very subtle its not like a completely different tone or anything it just changes some of the nuances of the tone on channel 2.

On a side note its a good job Peter left the mode switch on channel 1 or there's not a chance in heck id have bought the Einstein when mine popped up. One of the things I loved about the amp was the fact Channel 1 could radically change depending on the rhythm sound I need for a particular song. I then get that gorgeous middy brownish lead tone from channel 2 which just hits all the right spots sonically.

+1 The Texas mode is awesome! And I actually prefer mode 3 on channel 1 over channel 2 for classic distortion tones.

 

[Halikus]

I have to say that channel1 mode 3 and Channel 2 are very similar in tone but the voicing is different. channel 2 is much more mid focused with a cut to the treble to my ears, it's a much smoother lead orientated sound that will cut through any mix, that's not to say that it cant do rhythm but lead is what this bad boy was designed to do. Channel 1 is less mid heavy and has a nice dose of presence to get it to cut and fill out the top end of the soundscape which in a lead situation can sound a bit toppy and harsh but for rhythm tones its just magic.

Texas is just a special channel overall, has enough gain on tap to hit some nice rhythm and shred tones and reacts really well to the controls on the guitar and cleans up just right.

I really must get the Ch1 mod sorted, if I do I can see myself living in Tex for cleaner work, Mega for rhythm/lead depending on situation and solos on ch2.

 

[moltenmetalburn]

There is a definite subtle difference of CH2 to each mode selected on channel one.

I found this out one day when I was playing alternately on channel one mode 3 and channel 2.

I switched over to clean for a bit while I was practicing and when I went back to channel two I was confused as my tone/feel just wasn't the same. it took a few minutes for me to realize I still had the mode switch in the clean setting.


My hypothesis are as follows:

1. the design shares tubes in both channels 1 and 2; therefore there is no way to makes changes to the voicing of channel one without affecting channel 2.

2. Peter wanted the "lead" channel to adjust itself for each mode. that way a guy who plays only clean jazz rhythms doesn't have an uber compressed shreddy metal lead channel that doesn't mesh well with the core sound when it's time to solo.