Diezel Einstein vs. Mesa Stiletto Trident II

[rabies]

I currently own a Rivera S120 head. Run my JMP-1/G Major into the effects rtn and then into a Mesa half-back 4x12 cab.

I tried a Diezel Einstein combo or head a while back and liked it. I owned a Mesa Stiletto Deuce II and had to return it b/c the fuse and power tubes kept blowing (possibly defective). I have owned JCM800's, JCM900, JCM2000, Mesa Mark IV, Mesa RK1.

Got disillusioned by the non-adjustable fixed bias Mesa thing (I measure the bias on the outer sox of the Mark IV and it read 8ma - very cold).

So has anybody A/B'd the Stiletto and the Einstein? The Stiletto has the best touch-sensitivity for leads I've ever experienced from a tube amp. 2 channels with 3 modes each. Also features the 50watt switch and recto tube tracking option. And costs about as much new as a used Einstein head.

hmmmmm.... any comments?

 

[van hellion]

spent extensive time on both, i think the einstien is in another league, not that the mesa is a bad amp, cuz its not, BUT the diezel just sounds friggin great! especially on the lead stuff!

peace
A Wood

 

[FriedChickenBandit]

You can't compare the two. The Einstein to me is one of the best amps ever made including the other ones already from Diezel, the Einstein stomps both the VH4 and the Herb and it looks like a serious amp (2 channel) not a toy. The Herb is cool but it's not the killer Einstein.

The Mesa Stiletto is supposed to be like a Marshall but it isn't, it still has that Mesa recto type of tone.

I have no idea why Diezel/Peter has not made a Marshall clone yet? And I mean an exact Marshall clone with either a Plexi or JMP MKII voicing with the typical Diezel gain. Well, maybe not that much gain but more than any Marshall keeping the Marshall EVERYTHING, shrieking highs, killer cut thru sound. It would sell like freaking hot cakes because everyone loves a Marshall if they don't they don't play guitar (they just think they do ) and with Diezel's tank like design and built..forget about it. I know I would buy one immediately.

I wouldn't compare the two though..but the Stiletto is cool and the Lonestar is even better.

 

[PBGas]

I've tried both. I've found the Stiletto series to be a very nice amp but a bit too much honk in the midrange frequency for me. It doesn't have the bottom end that the Einstein has either. Definitely has clarity however, no where near the gain or definition.

As pointed out....a different amp class and rightfully so.

 

[Deleted member 3520]

Einstein will be alittle more compressed, not as much midrange, smoother and funner to play, not aas fizzy as stiletto, and harmonics are AWESOME! BUT...The einstein has a modern edge you cant get away from, as to where the stiletto has a vintage edge that doesnt reach quite modern...all preference. I'd buy the Einstein hands down.

 

[slate]

"The einstein has a modern edge you cant get away from" -

i agree completely with that statement - i owned an einstein and decided to change it for exactly that reason .
try the VH4 ....

 

[nbarts]

The Herb is cool but it's not the killer Einstein.

 

[nbarts]

I currently own a Rivera S120 head. Run my JMP-1/G Major into the effects rtn and then into a Mesa half-back 4x12 cab.

I tried a Diezel Einstein combo or head a while back and liked it. I owned a Mesa Stiletto Deuce II and had to return it b/c the fuse and power tubes kept blowing (possibly defective). I have owned JCM800's, JCM900, JCM2000, Mesa Mark IV, Mesa RK1.

Got disillusioned by the non-adjustable fixed bias Mesa thing (I measure the bias on the outer sox of the Mark IV and it read 8ma - very cold).

So has anybody A/B'd the Stiletto and the Einstein? The Stiletto has the best touch-sensitivity for leads I've ever experienced from a tube amp. 2 channels with 3 modes each. Also features the 50watt switch and recto tube tracking option. And costs about as much new as a used Einstein head.

hmmmmm.... any comments?

You have mentioned whole a lot of different amps here. So what are you looking for in your tone?

 

[van hellion]

The Herb is cool but it's not the killer Einstein.

no doubt. i have both and there is not a single sound that einstein does that i cant get out of herbert. i have spent extensive time with both and i can dial them in scary close to each other.

peace
A Wood

 

[sean106ESP]

The Herb is cool but it's not the killer Einstein.

+1 although I never played an einstein, but I can't imagine it stomping out a VH4 or Herbert IMO

 

[White_Van]

"The einstein has a modern edge you cant get away from" -

i agree completely with that statement - i owned an einstein and decided to change it for exactly that reason .
try the VH4 ....

I thought the VH4 was way more "modern", read stiff and compressed than my Einstein, but this is all IMO.

Mode 2 on the Einstein is chewy mid gain tones that obviously aren't exactly "vintage", but vintage like with a great modern twist.

 

[FriedChickenBandit]

The Herb is cool but it's not the killer Einstein.

+1 although I never played an einstein, but I can't imagine it stomping out a VH4 or Herbert IMO

Play one then.

It's just the overall package, no one but no one in the planet needs more than one channel. Those that can play do what those that can play do..they use the guitar's volume to clean up and with 100 watts there's enough clean headroom. You have a clean channel already with the Einstein so that's dirty, and clean..can someone please explain why there's need for more? Thank you I didn't think there was.

When you put it all together, price, tone, versatility etc, etc the Einstein stomps them all period. If you play an Einstein and then a VH4 or Herb and decide to go with them then 2 things are fact. 1. you just want to spend money and 2. you're not looking for an amp you're looking for a status simbol or god knows what the hell you'd be looking for. If you want to spend money why not get your own custom made amp with 2 channels voiced however you want?

There's no one on this board that can make the Einstein shine so why even get something more expensive? If you use your head and logic you can easily see how the Einstein stomps the other two Diezel amps. LOGIC being the keyword and one that million of people would never have use for.

All 3 are great amps and what I love about them is how they sound, how well made and tough they are but the Einstein is the way to go. $1000 cheaper, enough gain to kill older people, exellent cleans, great high gain, incredible master volume, and nice and medium sized. People can argue all they want but no one here uses the 3 channels to the fullest. Well, no one here uses one channel to it's fullest because they don't even roll the volume back for cleans on the dirty.

Put it this way..you ever see those people that buy HUMMERS and then you see them going AROUND speed bumps with the same Hummer? There you go..it's all for looks and to say, I have a Hummer.

 

[nbarts]

Man, you crack me up

I would never argue of one being better than the other & for me & only for me Herbert puts your Einstein to shame. This is not a matter of quantity of channels or image, this is a matter of taste. So (my apologies in advance) all ya Einstein owners can shove it up yours

I'd take just the clean channel of my Herbert over anything.

 

[sean106ESP]

It's just the overall package, no one but no one in the planet needs more than one channel. Those that can play do what those that can play do..they use the guitar's volume to clean up and with 100 watts there's enough clean headroom. You have a clean channel already with the Einstein so that's dirty, and clean..can someone please explain why there's need for more? Thank you I didn't think there was.

Easy ........when I play I prefer 4 channels most of the time. 1 Clean 2 Mild dirty 3 Rythm channel 4 lead playing. Although I can get a way with three with ther Herbert. When playing live or practice, I just simply do not feel like using my guitars knobs to compensate for it. I would rather hit a foot switch for another channel.

FYI I just got my Herbie back with the SED EL 34's and it does sound great but I need more time with it again. I have been using the Vh4S non stop since the Herbie went into the shop for recording and jammin, and man I am just love that damn thing. Maybe it is just using the two cabs spread out, that to my ears it sounds sooooo huge and thick, as I dial in a different presence and deep into the other side of the Vh4S. I dare to say I almost at first was like, shit should I sell the Herbert and get another VH4 But I doubt it, just need to spend more time with the herbert. that is all. I think I should use it IMO the right way and that means CH1 clean CH2 rhythm dirty CH3 Lead, not Ch2 Rhythm dirty and CH3 rhythm dirty

 

[van hellion]

ch3 on herbie is a great lead tone, thats how i run mine.

peace

A Wood

 

[White_Van]

Play one then.

It's just the overall package, no one but no one in the planet needs more than one channel. Those that can play do what those that can play do..they use the guitar's volume to clean up and with 100 watts there's enough clean headroom. You have a clean channel already with the Einstein so that's dirty, and clean..can someone please explain why there's need for more? Thank you I didn't think there was.

When you put it all together, price, tone, versatility etc, etc the Einstein stomps them all period. If you play an Einstein and then a VH4 or Herb and decide to go with them then 2 things are fact. 1. you just want to spend money and 2. you're not looking for an amp you're looking for a status simbol or god knows what the hell you'd be looking for. If you want to spend money why not get your own custom made amp with 2 channels voiced however you want?

There's no one on this board that can make the Einstein shine so why even get something more expensive? If you use your head and logic you can easily see how the Einstein stomps the other two Diezel amps. LOGIC being the keyword and one that million of people would never have use for.

All 3 are great amps and what I love about them is how they sound, how well made and tough they are but the Einstein is the way to go. $1000 cheaper, enough gain to kill older people, exellent cleans, great high gain, incredible master volume, and nice and medium sized. People can argue all they want but no one here uses the 3 channels to the fullest. Well, no one here uses one channel to it's fullest because they don't even roll the volume back for cleans on the dirty.

Put it this way..you ever see those people that buy HUMMERS and then you see them going AROUND speed bumps with the same Hummer? There you go..it's all for looks and to say, I have a Hummer.

That's a lot of blanket statements to be making.

I love my Einstein, and for me it's the best fit, but that doesn't mean that it is the best amp.

In my opinion, the appeal of the VH4 and the Herbert is the versatility of the Midi setup, not the number of channels that it has, I would love for the Einstein to have Midi capability, which I am looking into incidentally.

I wouldn't say that no one here uses all the channels to the fullest, that's a rather narrow minded and arrogant claim, especially in light of the fact that you have met all of these people online, and don't know any of them. Who cares if they want 4 channels and only use 2?

I would say that to my ears, the Einstein is the best sounding Diezel, but that's all subjective. What is pleasing to my ears may not be pleasing to everyone else's.

To sum up my post, yes, I love my Einstein, but no, I can't in good conscience argue that it's the overall best amp, period of the 4(5) Diezels, because "best" is simply too subjective.

 

[scottph]

There's no use argueing with the guy - just check his history on here...

 

[sean106ESP]

Play one then.

It's just the overall package, no one but no one in the planet needs more than one channel. Those that can play do what those that can play do..they use the guitar's volume to clean up and with 100 watts there's enough clean headroom. You have a clean channel already with the Einstein so that's dirty, and clean..can someone please explain why there's need for more? Thank you I didn't think there was.

When you put it all together, price, tone, versatility etc, etc the Einstein stomps them all period. If you play an Einstein and then a VH4 or Herb and decide to go with them then 2 things are fact. 1. you just want to spend money and 2. you're not looking for an amp you're looking for a status simbol or god knows what the hell you'd be looking for. If you want to spend money why not get your own custom made amp with 2 channels voiced however you want?

There's no one on this board that can make the Einstein shine so why even get something more expensive? If you use your head and logic you can easily see how the Einstein stomps the other two Diezel amps. LOGIC being the keyword and one that million of people would never have use for.

All 3 are great amps and what I love about them is how they sound, how well made and tough they are but the Einstein is the way to go. $1000 cheaper, enough gain to kill older people, exellent cleans, great high gain, incredible master volume, and nice and medium sized. People can argue all they want but no one here uses the 3 channels to the fullest. Well, no one here uses one channel to it's fullest because they don't even roll the volume back for cleans on the dirty.

Put it this way..you ever see those people that buy HUMMERS and then you see them going AROUND speed bumps with the same Hummer? There you go..it's all for looks and to say, I have a Hummer.

That's a lot of blanket statements to be making.

I love my Einstein, and for me it's the best fit, but that doesn't mean that it is the best amp.

In my opinion, the appeal of the VH4 and the Herbert is the versatility of the Midi setup, not the number of channels that it has, I would love for the Einstein to have Midi capability, which I am looking into incidentally.

I wouldn't say that no one here uses all the channels to the fullest, that's a rather narrow minded and arrogant claim, especially in light of the fact that you have met all of these people online, and don't know any of them. Who cares if they want 4 channels and only use 2?

I would say that to my ears, the Einstein is the best sounding Diezel, but that's all subjective. What is pleasing to my ears may not be pleasing to everyone else's.

To sum up my post, yes, I love my Einstein, but no, I can't in good conscience argue that it's the overall best amp, period of the 4(5) Diezels, because "best" is simply too subjective.

Just to chime in, II agree it is not arrogant or narrow minded to use all 4 channels. I have to because with all the songs I write for my band. I have a lot of songs that use the clean and rhythm CH3 the most but then a lot of songs that just use just the clean and the mild dirty channel. Then when ever I do little solo leads or harmonies I need the 4th channel as I love the liquidy lead tonez. So I guess it all depends on what you play and what songs you write or play.

 

[yngzaklynch]

Dunno about the Einstein but I have a Stiletto Deuce Stage II for sale with roadcase. Both are in excellent condition.

 

[jcj]

Hahahahaha....