Diezel Herbert or Marshall Jvm 410?

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I own the Diezel Herbert Mk1 and my friend owns the JVM 410, both are killer and stellar amps
I just wanted to know what your guys thoughts are on the
1. versatility of the amps
2. gain on the both high gain behemoths :gethim: :doh:
3. tightness
4. Lead sound
5 overall which would you choose??? :rock:
 
Get them both. Practice with the JVM so you can keep the Herbie fresh for gigging.
 
I already own the Diezel Herbert I just wanted to know which do you guys prefer and for what reasons/standards?
 
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the guys on here prefer their Diezels over Marshall.
 
I'm gonna say if you go for a Marshall JVM, make sure you go for the Joe Satriani model. The standard amp is just terrible with not being able to use orange or red modes past 9-O'clock without it horribly feeding back and squealing.

The Joe Satriani Amp is just SO MUCH BETTER! Everything that is wrong with the standard amp is improved on his signature. I'm considering one myself to run with the Hagen to see what happens!
 
I own a Herbert and in our practice room stand two JVMs so I've done a lot of A/B-ing.
1. Versatility: overall the JVM wins, for high-gain the Herb wins. The first and second channel get really close to those old Plexis, JMPs and JCM800s. You can play all styles on both amps, but The JVM supports more genres of music. For high-gain exclusively the Herbert wins with the mid-cut. Flexibility in shaping your mids is a must when you want to find the perfect high-gain sound.
2. Both got way more than enough. The Herbert has a more modern gain-structure. We are comparing apples and bananas here.
3. Tightness has different meanings to a lot of people. The JVM tends more to sound mooshy. The JVM has less low-end. I find the Herb reacts quicker (but I hear a lot of people say the Herb is looser, so...)
4. Tough one.. I'd almost say the JVM wins here, because the distortion of OD1/2 focuses almost entirely on the mids, which is not so good for rhythm, but I love that kind of gain for leads. The only way to get that mid-focus with the Herb is by throwing an OD before the amp.
5. I (obviously) choose the Herbert, because that is simply my sound. Choosing a guitar and an amp is as if a singer could choose his voice.
 
These two amps are really VERY different animals in my opinion: The Herbert has a decidedly "modern" and unique voicing, and also sounds somewhat "produced" right out of the box. It also is the thickest sounding high-gainer I have ever owned. The mid-cut option makes it nearly the perfect rhythm sound for modern metal. To my ears, the JVM has a much more traditional voice, and it's flavor is relies more on that "raw" upper mid presence and signature Marshall crunch. For overall versatility, I might lean in the direction of the JVM. For cleans? probably the Herbert. Gain? Both have much MORE that anyone should ever need, but I find the Herbert to have a smoother, less granular gain structure. Tightness? The Herbert is plenty tight and articulate, while never coming across as stiff or boxy. The JVM may "present" as a bit tighter to the ear based primarily on it's upper mid voicing, it may also "cut through" a bit better in the context of a two guitar band because of this. For sheer "size", the Herbert cannot be beat in my opinion. Leads? Simply a matter of taste on this one, both can do the job very well. Both great amps....But very different. If I could only have one, I would keep the Herbert, most based on the styles of music I tend to gravitate towards playing.
 
I got mine rather cheaply on ebay, I got it for 2,675 but for some reason I feel it too weak for leads, the tapping sounds weak, I'm worrying something on it is old one of the fuses or the tubes.. or maybe my Les Paul studio is just too weak for that raging bull
 

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TheNoister":8hy2z3tb said:
I got mine rather cheaply on ebay, I got it for 2,675 but for some reason I feel it too weak for leads, the tapping sounds weak, I'm worrying something on it is old one of the fuses or the tubes.. or maybe my Les Paul studio is just too weak for that raging bull

A LP Studio too weak?! I really doubt that.. A complete new set of tubes can never hurt and also tweaking the Eq. I crank my mids and have the mid-cut at 40%. Also I run my channel and mid-cut level very high. It gave my Herb more focus on the mids, maybe that'll help you too.
 
TheNoister":21xugctm said:

You are going to give Peter a heart attack..... :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:

Search the Herbert tube threads. Peter currently is satisfied with JJ KT77's for reliability and tone and is shipping new amps with them. Preamp tubes are Ruby's. Contact forum member, Laura (www.valvequeen.com) and you will get burned in and tested tubes for your Herb. If in doubt, contact Peter, at least until you are more familiar with the amp and comfortable mixing power tubes.
 
Herbert over Marshall.
Nice stomp for leads and neckwork soloing.
Always good, high quality glass - both pre and power tubes. Always.

Done.
 
Ventura":2smox4f1 said:
Herbert over Marshall.
Nice stomp for leads and neckwork soloing.
Always good, high quality glass - both pre and power tubes. Always.

Done.


:thumbsup:
 
Oh yes, Satriani bought once a VH4 and has now a Sig Marshall JVM.
 
Bato":wavoiqzv said:
Oh yes, Satriani bought once a VH4 and has now a Sig Marshall JVM.


Diezel caters to no one for a fast buck. :no:

Nothing against Marshall's...... :rock:
 
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