Diezel VH4-S and TC Electronic Nova System

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Anyone experience with te TC-electronic Nova System and the VH4/S in te serial or parallel effectsloop....and phasing problems?
 
Hi Sickgoose,

please see manual for using the loops.
 
Hi Peter,

Yes ik know....effects 100% wet.

With the effects on there is no problem. "Phasing" starts when they are off.

its not a real disaster because the VH4 can midiswitch the parallel loop off an on........

I suspect the problem is with te TC Nova System witch is not 100% true bypass........
 
sickgoose":3seoqfdp said:
Hi Peter,

Yes ik know....effects 100% wet.

With the effects on there is no problem. "Phasing" starts when they are off.

its not a real disaster because the VH4 can midiswitch the parallel loop off an on........

I suspect the problem is with te TC Nova System witch is not 100% true bypass........
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Sorry..but using the nova system in the serial loop?
I don't think that your original Diezel tone change.
For sure N.System is not true bypass..you can edit a preset with none effect
inside but you can't escape the A/D/A convesion because novaSy has not a kill dry feature.
 
I always use the TC/NS in the parallel loop........
And the G-system? does it have a kill dry feature?
 
sickgoose":2gv0x688 said:
I always use the TC/NS in the parallel loop........
And the G-system? does it have a kill dry feature?
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sickgoose":2gv0x688 said:
I always use the TC/NS in the parallel loop........
And the G-system? does it have a kill dry feature?
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Nova system is a stripped down version of G-system.
The nova have not:
-the 5 loops
-filter algoritm
-no 4 cable method.

both haven't kill dry 'cause tc eletronic suggests their use in the serial loop.

Make a try of this:
-use the nova noise gate in herbert hi gain channels using the paralle loop
and tell me if it works.
-if not try serial loop and let me know. :)
 
My assessment - the lack of Killdry functionality makes the Nova System virtually useless in the context of a parallel effects loop (unless you set the amp loop to 100% wet, thereby effectively turning it into a serial loop).

I did hold out some hope when I heard of a hidden "Killdry" parameter available via the Nova Editor (available here : http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/nova-system/), but having tried this it doesn't appear to do anything so I suspect this feature isn't actually implemented in the Nova System.

So it appears that the only way to stop the dry signal coming out of the Nova System is to set all the effect mix controls to 100% wet, which then leaves no way of setting the relative levels of the different effects blocks (as everything is on maximum). This means you can really only use one effect at a time.

What a shame/waste - if it wasn't for this one (major) missing feature (which surely wouldn't have cost very much to implement, if anything) this product would have been so much more useful to the serious/pro players. In my opinion TC have seriously missed an opportunity here ...
 
:doh: G-Systems have a "Kill Dry" parameter - since firmware 4.02.
 
russellc100":1px1glq8 said:
My assessment - the lack of Killdry functionality makes the Nova System virtually useless in the context of a parallel effects loop (unless you set the amp loop to 100% wet, thereby effectively turning it into a serial loop).

I did hold out some hope when I heard of a hidden "Killdry" parameter available via the Nova Editor (available here : http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/nova-system/), but having tried this it doesn't appear to do anything so I suspect this feature isn't actually implemented in the Nova System.

So it appears that the only way to stop the dry signal coming out of the Nova System is to set all the effect mix controls to 100% wet, which then leaves no way of setting the relative levels of the different effects blocks (as everything is on maximum). This means you can really only use one effect at a time.

What a shame/waste - if it wasn't for this one (major) missing feature (which surely wouldn't have cost very much to implement, if anything) this product would have been so much more useful to the serious/pro players. In my opinion TC have seriously missed an opportunity here ...
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Welcome to the board :thumbsup:
 
they miss many opportunities and just push their stomp box section. i always use the serial loop when using the nova.
 
Hey Guys,

I use my Nova System in the serial loop as well. I connected it via a true bypass looper so that I can completely get it out of the signal chain if not needed. But then I hardly find myself doing that since the difference between the true bypass and Nova's bypass is barely audible. Maybe in a recording setup but certainly not in a live situation. In the beginning I was pissed but I have made my peace with the Nova and the serial loop.

Cheers,

Till.
 
I had the same problem with the nova. I bought a voicelive 3 afterwards for vocal reasons and was stuck again with this no-killdry functiomality. So i found a sollution because my sound with and without nova in the fx loop was too different. Even with same volume iit was too obvious in the highs.
After some discussio with support i was on my own. Hopefully this sollutio also works on the nova.
What i did:
- parallel fx send connected to vl3(voicelive3 which is basically a nova system)
- change parameter on vl3: send all guitar signal to the left (full pan ) . Send delays to right. ..
- connect vl3 right to fx return of the amp
- connect a dummy jack in the vl3 right output

Works like a charm. The downside ... no stereo delays.

I m so convincede of this method that i even do this in a serial fx loop with an xblender.
Hope this can help some
 
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