DIEZEL VIRGIN LOOKING FOR ADVICE

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I have been recently drawn to the alter of Diezel and have a few questions before I buy.

1. Which has the better clean and hi-gain sounds? VH4 or Herbert.

2. What do the "mk" designators for the Herbert translate to (what do they mean)? For example, mk1, mk2, mk2.5, mk3?

I've played everything from classical, hard-rock, and metal for 30 years. I live in Minnesota and there are no Diezel dealers here that I am aware of,...thus, I still intend to buy one but only on reputation and pictures alone! I have never played through one! (does that make me stupid!?).

I would appreciate any advice - thanks.

Larz
 
larzguitarz" I've played everything from classical said:
it doesn't make you stupid i bought a diezel without ever playing one and i could not be happier
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Same here. I got my Diezel without having even seen one up close, not to say heard. and I LOVED it.


would you be more specific on what you like?

Herbert is a more modern amp. It can provide you with beautiful cleans and awesome blues driven tones, not to mention the heavy rock/metal tones which it's more known for. But it's also very modern....so if you're into a more vintage sound maybe the Einstein is the way to go.

The VH4 is seomthing completely different from the Einstein and the Herbert, which are more like "brothers". The VH4 is like a 2nd cousin.... he's family, but doesn't look like the other two (doesn't sound in this case)

IT's not really vintage..but it's not the typical modern amp either.....it's got tons of mids which makes it VERY VERY articulate and clear. The clean channel is AMAZING...I prefer the VH4 clean channel to my Einstein...and I love my Einstein, so I guess I'd like the VH4 clean more than the Herbert too even though I haven't played one.

look around there are tons of comparison threads around here. Search for Duolos (forumite) he posted a very nice comparison.
 
Thanks for the quick feedback.

I prefer a modern hi-gain sound, with some vintage tones that have more of an edge to them. I appreciate clean sounds, but I'm not after a "'65 Twin Reverb" sound for example. Sounds like the Herbert is the right pick.

I play custom Gibsons LPs, ESPs, BC Rich, Jackson...
Roadking
Triple Rec
Rivera K-Tre
Mesa cabs
Uberschall
Fulltone, H&K, Rocktron, MXR, Carl Martin, Peterson, Keeley, EH, Boss analog...effects.

Thanks again!
Larz
 
With the gear that you have and saying you want modern high gain sound the Herbert is definately for you then. You cant really go wrong with any of the Diezel products so you will be happy either way.
 
Excellent. I appreciate your feedback. I'm placing the order tomorrow.

Take care.
Larz
 
larzguitarz":34uf70ty said:
Excellent. I appreciate your feedback. I'm placing the order tomorrow.

Take care.
Larz
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I have a couple brand new Diezels if you're interested, I'm a dealer. Feel free to contact me if interested :)
 
larzguitarz":2kn0okos said:
Thanks for the tip! Do you have a website?
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Yeah my website is http://www.axepalace.com. Why don't you give me a call or email? You can find my info there, the main site will be going live next week :) I have a Herbert and VH4 chillin' in their box as we speak if you're interested.

If not that's cool too, but if you get in touch with me I'm sure we could work something out :)

Cheers,

Nick
 
Hey Larz,

Welcome to the forum buddy! I also bought my Diezel a few months ago and I only had the chance to play one for 15 mins prior to buying. My local GC store had one and I plugged in and experimented on the 4 channels. I was blown away by the 3 & 4 channel of the VH4. I knew then that it blew my recto in every way possible. I knew that would be my dream amp.

I haven't really spend time playing a Herbert but I'm sure you won't go wrong with both amps. You also might want to check out the Einstein as well.
 
Thanks. Appreciate the feedback!
I put a Herbert on order here last week, so we'll see how everything turns out. Being somewhat of a Boogie nut, I'm pretty stoked to get the Diezel and see how they compare.

Take care.
Larz
 
My first Diezel was the Herbert bought it without trying one. When it came in the at G.C. all the guys who work there and the people that were at the store shopping were totally blown away it caused a big crowd to form. You will like it. You would not go wrong with any of the Diezels :thumbsup:
 
larzguitarz":3a1xw3pf said:
I have been recently drawn to the alter of Diezel and have a few questions before I buy.

1. Which has the better clean and hi-gain sounds? VH4 or Herbert.

2. What do the "mk" designators for the Herbert translate to (what do they mean)? For example, mk1, mk2, mk2.5, mk3?

I've played everything from classical, hard-rock, and metal for 30 years. I live in Minnesota and there are no Diezel dealers here that I am aware of,...thus, I still intend to buy one but only on reputation and pictures alone! I have never played through one! (does that make me stupid!?).

I would appreciate any advice - thanks.

Larz
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Hey Larz, Herbert is the best of them from my perspective, just don't count on any quality support from Diezel. Make sure you can find a good amp tech locally that will help you out if need be.
 
Thanks for the feedback! The owner of Savage boutique amps is 1 mile from my home, which is a real good thing (they're the only servicer of Mesa, etc. in MN)...and awesome guys to boot. So, I'm hoping I'm covered in case something really goes wrong.

Larz
 
King Crimson":3if48f6g said:
larzguitarz":3if48f6g said:
I have been recently drawn to the alter of Diezel and have a few questions before I buy.

1. Which has the better clean and hi-gain sounds? VH4 or Herbert.

2. What do the "mk" designators for the Herbert translate to (what do they mean)? For example, mk1, mk2, mk2.5, mk3?

I've played everything from classical, hard-rock, and metal for 30 years. I live in Minnesota and there are no Diezel dealers here that I am aware of,...thus, I still intend to buy one but only on reputation and pictures alone! I have never played through one! (does that make me stupid!?).

I would appreciate any advice - thanks.

Larz
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Hey Larz, Herbert is the best of them from my perspective, just don't count on any quality support from Diezel. Make sure you can find a good amp tech locally that will help you out if need be.
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Wow, you came in sharp right there.

you are indeed entitled to your opinion, but those types of things canbe said in a PM...... saying them here feels a bit like trolling :thumbsdown:
 
The Herbert sounds like a good match for what you want. It's got great modern lead and rhythm sounds on Channel 2+ or 3, depending on what you're going for. You can get really good, classic/hard rock sounds out of Channel 2- and the clean channel is awesome. I'm a fellow Mesa guy playing Diezel now. I bought my Herbert without ever having played one and couldn't be happier. I still have my Mesa Mark III, but it has quickly become my backup amp and the Herbert just destroys my other guitarists Single Rectifier.

A few words of advice, get something other than a Mesa cab. They're good cabs, but my Herbert really shows the limitations of them. I just sold my stiletto 412 (awful with the Herbert) and have replaced all 4 speakers in my road king 412. My oversized 212 doesn't get used much either (I'd sell it but my wife bought it for me as a gift, don't want to discourage that ;) ). I just ordered a Mills Acoustic cab and I'm thinking I'll have to suck it up and spend the cash on a new Diezel cab sooner or later (at almost $1700, that one is going to be hard to swallow though). I don't know how to describe it, but the Mesa cabs are just a little too boxy sounding with Diezel, IMO. They really suck some of the life out of my Herbert. The speaker swap in the Road King did wonders (WGS et65s and vet 30s), but there was no hope for the stiletto. The oversized 212 doesn't sound bad, but it's just too loose and boomy for the Herbert. I love the Mesa cabs with my Mark III, but after nearly a year of speaker swaps and different combinations, I've had to move on from Mesa cabs with my Herbert. Just my $.02.
 
mincy":2lj152z2 said:
The Herbert sounds like a good match for what you want. It's got great modern lead and rhythm sounds on Channel 2+ or 3, depending on what you're going for. You can get really good, classic/hard rock sounds out of Channel 2- and the clean channel is awesome. I'm a fellow Mesa guy playing Diezel now. I bought my Herbert without ever having played one and couldn't be happier. I still have my Mesa Mark III, but it has quickly become my backup amp and the Herbert just destroys my other guitarists Single Rectifier.

A few words of advice, get something other than a Mesa cab. They're good cabs, but my Herbert really shows the limitations of them. I just sold my stiletto 412 (awful with the Herbert) and have replaced all 4 speakers in my road king 412. My oversized 212 doesn't get used much either (I'd sell it but my wife bought it for me as a gift, don't want to discourage that ;) ). I just ordered a Mills Acoustic cab and I'm thinking I'll have to suck it up and spend the cash on a new Diezel cab sooner or later (at almost $1700, that one is going to be hard to swallow though). I don't know how to describe it, but the Mesa cabs are just a little too boxy sounding with Diezel, IMO. They really suck some of the life out of my Herbert. The speaker swap in the Road King did wonders (WGS et65s and vet 30s), but there was no hope for the stiletto. The oversized 212 doesn't sound bad, but it's just too loose and boomy for the Herbert. I love the Mesa cabs with my Mark III, but after nearly a year of speaker swaps and different combinations, I've had to move on from Mesa cabs with my Herbert. Just my $.02.
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I completely agree about the Mesa cabs as I didn't enjoy my old Herbert through my Recto 4x12 as much as I probably would have with another cab. Now with the Einstein, the Bogner I have sounds fantastic. I actually bought a Mesa 2x12 a few months ago at a good price and had a friend's Roadster here. The Roadster sounded much better through the Bogner cab over the Mesa which surprised me I guess, a little. I mean, I always thought Mesa matched their heads to their cabs pretty well but it was just destroyed. Same deal with the Einstein, the Mesa sounded boxy and just flat in comparison to the Bogner. I understand the differences between a 2x12 and a 4x12 but this went totally beyond that.
 
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