lpaul626
Member
I'm thinking about picking up this module. Does anyone use this for both rhythm and leads? From what I've read, it offers darker tones than the SL2x. Is it darker as in "Bogner" type tones?
3 Mile Stone
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I am going to say no. It's the truest EGNATER sound of all the modules. If you go back to the Marshalls that Bruce did mods to, and follow the lineage through the TOL series of amps, the EG3/4 is the Egnater sound.
EDIT: Yes I do use it for rtm and lead sounds. Works fantastic!
EDIT: Yes I do use it for rtm and lead sounds. Works fantastic!
mentoneman
Well-known member
i find myself more and more just staying on the 3rd channel of my tol 100 because it has so much range in a plexi way and i can pop on the bb pre for more oomph. and it is aggressive but smoother than the average marshall so it fits my needs playing with 5 vocalists and piano and ballady stuff...more horn like.
between my YT demos of the tol 100 and the hermida zendrive and boost clips you will really get a clear picture of the eggie sound, but i agree the 3/4 channels of the eggie are bruce's classic signature sounds.
between my YT demos of the tol 100 and the hermida zendrive and boost clips you will really get a clear picture of the eggie sound, but i agree the 3/4 channels of the eggie are bruce's classic signature sounds.
muudrock
Active member
Althought the EG3/4 has a smokier texture to it, I don't find it too dark at all. I usually run it with B,M and T around noon. and I use it for rhythm and leads. It is darker overall than the SL2X in that it doesn't have the bitey top end, the highs are smoother. Channel A works great for chords or leads and covers a lot of ground. Channel B is a little bit brighter, tighter and gainier.
I did change the tube board cap in mine to a 500pF which opens the module up just a bit.
Here is a raw clip of the EG3/4 un-modded with an LP.
https://soundclick.com/share?songid=6893520
I did change the tube board cap in mine to a 500pF which opens the module up just a bit.
Here is a raw clip of the EG3/4 un-modded with an LP.
https://soundclick.com/share?songid=6893520
mentoneman
Well-known member
that sounded really nice man--
at 1:50ish on your clip there is the telltale eggie thing that people either love or hate and that is the quality of the mids pushing out and blending with the attack, and the top end not being as present and isolated as many metal machines.
the eggie on big power chords may be a bit congested compared to other modern crunch tones, when you are tryiing to set the rhythm crunch and lead tone of the same shared eq circuit, but those eggie mids really helps leads soar through a mix without being skinny.
i will always point to this clip as my example of perfect marshall rock crunch tone:
peacemaker brown
and you only get that tone by cranking up the power tubes in the amp, and controlling the volume with an attenuator because nobody i know can get away with laying a dimed 100 watt plexi style amp, and mixing the right blend of as little preamp distortion as you can get away with so the tone controls actually do their job better and the tone is as dynamic as possible, yet enough gain to make it liquid and playable, with the right pickups and gtr body and neck wood, and a 4x12 resonating to fill in the low end instead of a bass circuit on the amp booming everything out, and the right amount of effects for your wet cab, additional power amp, etc....
and now you are talking spending $8k for one perfect tone, but it is perfect!
an eggie tol 100 will get you 4 killer tones (disclaimer: i can't fall in love w. channel 2 unless i dedicate the whole amp to that dumble thing it can approximate and then it is only a rough imposter
) for under a grand and when i first got it i'd put a dynacomp and arion chorus in front for clean and bluesy tones, and a danecho in the loop for all tones...cheap effects but a great mono rig...i did spring for an uberkab though...!
at 1:50ish on your clip there is the telltale eggie thing that people either love or hate and that is the quality of the mids pushing out and blending with the attack, and the top end not being as present and isolated as many metal machines.
the eggie on big power chords may be a bit congested compared to other modern crunch tones, when you are tryiing to set the rhythm crunch and lead tone of the same shared eq circuit, but those eggie mids really helps leads soar through a mix without being skinny.
i will always point to this clip as my example of perfect marshall rock crunch tone:
peacemaker brown
and you only get that tone by cranking up the power tubes in the amp, and controlling the volume with an attenuator because nobody i know can get away with laying a dimed 100 watt plexi style amp, and mixing the right blend of as little preamp distortion as you can get away with so the tone controls actually do their job better and the tone is as dynamic as possible, yet enough gain to make it liquid and playable, with the right pickups and gtr body and neck wood, and a 4x12 resonating to fill in the low end instead of a bass circuit on the amp booming everything out, and the right amount of effects for your wet cab, additional power amp, etc....
and now you are talking spending $8k for one perfect tone, but it is perfect!
an eggie tol 100 will get you 4 killer tones (disclaimer: i can't fall in love w. channel 2 unless i dedicate the whole amp to that dumble thing it can approximate and then it is only a rough imposter
) for under a grand and when i first got it i'd put a dynacomp and arion chorus in front for clean and bluesy tones, and a danecho in the loop for all tones...cheap effects but a great mono rig...i did spring for an uberkab though...!
fuzzyguitars
Active member
muudrock":1wb4rh6w said:
i really liked your clip of the sl with the bk butler.
too bad you didnt record a segment of that with just the amp.
how much gain can you get out of the sl?
lpaul626
Member
muudrock":3gr64w2p said:
Great clip! Thanks!
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Roddy
New member
That tone..EG3/4 is exactly Channel 4 of my Tourmaster.....Nice playing Scott Pisota!!
muudrock
Active member
mentoneman":czk7r05r said:that sounded really nice man--
at 1:50ish on your clip there is the telltale eggie thing that people either love or hate and that is the quality of the mids pushing out and blending with the attack, and the top end not being as present and isolated as many metal machines.
the eggie on big power chords may be a bit congested compared to other modern crunch tones, when you are tryiing to set the rhythm crunch and lead tone of the same shared eq circuit, but those eggie mids really helps leads soar through a mix without being skinny.
i will always point to this clip as my example of perfect marshall rock crunch tone:
peacemaker brown
and you only get that tone by cranking up the power tubes in the amp, and controlling the volume with an attenuator because nobody i know can get away with laying a dimed 100 watt plexi style amp, and mixing the right blend of as little preamp distortion as you can get away with so the tone controls actually do their job better and the tone is as dynamic as possible, yet enough gain to make it liquid and playable, with the right pickups and gtr body and neck wood, and a 4x12 resonating to fill in the low end instead of a bass circuit on the amp booming everything out, and the right amount of effects for your wet cab, additional power amp, etc....
and now you are talking spending $8k for one perfect tone, but it is perfect!
an eggie tol 100 will get you 4 killer tones (disclaimer: i can't fall in love w. channel 2 unless i dedicate the whole amp to that dumble thing it can approximate and then it is only a rough imposter
Man that Peacemaker sounds great! That is quite a benchmark tone to shoot for.
When I did this clip it was everything at noon, point a 57 at the speaker and go. It ended up sounding very close to the what it sounded like in the room. Raw and powerful. I run the EG3 channel with less gain than that typically which opens it up and "unclogs" the low mids. I love the Egnater mids. They are complex and present without being overbearing. At least to my ears.
muudrock
Active member
Thanks.fuzzyguitars":2kwp6dxa said:
3:04 -3:45 is Channel B with gain maxed out. It doesn't get to gainy, just kinda in your face. The SL sings though when you get the entire amp up to gig volume.
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bscfo1
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Scott - great tone and playing as always. Was that a nod to John Sykes on that last high bend at the end of the clip? It's so tricky getting up there on a Paul. Really love what you did there.
muudrock
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bscfo1":p2jslwmv said:
Thank you! That was my humble attempt at paying homage to the king of vibrato.
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Perttu
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lpaul626":1xv9kaah said:
I use it for both lead and rhythm. Usually I play my lead stuff with A channel and rhythms with B channel. It is an amazing mod and I think nothing will touch it. Ever.
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richedie
New member
I agree. I changed my tube board cap from the 1000pF to the 500 pF. It adds a touch of highs but you can make it sound stock by rolling back the treble a touch.
You should also try tightening the bass and see what you think. I did this and it makes a difference and doesn't seem to take away from ther fatness of leads.
Maybe ask Jeff to do this for you.
When I don't run my rack, I usually choose one channel for rhythm and one for lead. Even though A is not as gainy or tight.....I tend to use this for rhythm and use channel B for digging in with leads.
I believe it does sound Bogner-ish and some say it can sound Diezel-ish. I have a Randall XTC that I was going to mod....but the EG3/4 sounds so Bognerish, I might get rid of it.
Wow, you had the gain maxed!!!!!!??? Or was that the SL? I have never run the EG3/4 or SL2 past 12:00-2:00....I never found a need. I found things get too messy live.
On what Mentoneman said......unfortunatley not everyone can crank a tube amp, not even live. I know I can't! I also no longer use a 412...so I have to rely on an oversized Randall MTS 212 and the speakers to fill out the low end. I don't have a problem with it. The Tourmaster 212 does a great job too.
Peacemaker sounds great. You guys think the SL2X does that well?
Speaking of the mids and highs, that is what I like about Bruce's ears. He never has treble that cuts off your head and the mids are so thick. I believe that is what bothered me personally about the SL2X. It started to become too much like the Marshall I dislike and not as much like Bruce's Marshall. I think Bruce fixed the issues I have with Marshall. Hehe.
I believe the EG3/4 and SL2(or X) sound different enough to have both. The EG3/4 always sounds thicker to me no matter how it is modded.
You should also try tightening the bass and see what you think. I did this and it makes a difference and doesn't seem to take away from ther fatness of leads.
Maybe ask Jeff to do this for you.
When I don't run my rack, I usually choose one channel for rhythm and one for lead. Even though A is not as gainy or tight.....I tend to use this for rhythm and use channel B for digging in with leads.
I believe it does sound Bogner-ish and some say it can sound Diezel-ish. I have a Randall XTC that I was going to mod....but the EG3/4 sounds so Bognerish, I might get rid of it.
Wow, you had the gain maxed!!!!!!??? Or was that the SL? I have never run the EG3/4 or SL2 past 12:00-2:00....I never found a need. I found things get too messy live.
On what Mentoneman said......unfortunatley not everyone can crank a tube amp, not even live. I know I can't! I also no longer use a 412...so I have to rely on an oversized Randall MTS 212 and the speakers to fill out the low end. I don't have a problem with it. The Tourmaster 212 does a great job too.
Peacemaker sounds great. You guys think the SL2X does that well?
Speaking of the mids and highs, that is what I like about Bruce's ears. He never has treble that cuts off your head and the mids are so thick. I believe that is what bothered me personally about the SL2X. It started to become too much like the Marshall I dislike and not as much like Bruce's Marshall. I think Bruce fixed the issues I have with Marshall. Hehe.
I believe the EG3/4 and SL2(or X) sound different enough to have both. The EG3/4 always sounds thicker to me no matter how it is modded.
muudrock":us95hbau said:
muudrock
Active member
That comment was referring to the SL.
I never run the gain on EG past 1:00 on channel B
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richedie
New member
Muudrock, you should look into the tight mod for the EG3/4 - it tightens the botom like the SL2X.
muudrock
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richedie":2p7l81qp said:
I like it to be different. I'll keep the EG as the darker tone in my rig and SL2X as the brighter.
Honestly, I don't think you could tighten the EG up too much more. In my rig, its plenty tight.
Gotta be careful too... I don't want everything to sound the same.
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richedie
New member
Muudrock,
I have to admit I always thought the JB can have an upper mid spike that can be annoying depending on the guitar or rig...but your tone is killer! I was listening to the Randall Pete mods for the Randall XTC and I think you were getting pretty darn close to those tones as I have been able to as well. Kind of kills my GAS for the Pete modded XTC. The EG3/4 really is versatile. Where do you set the treble? I tend to keep it around noon...but man sometimes opening it up to 3:00 sounds wicked.
So what has been done to your EG? Just the 500pF cap like mine? I might even drop in a 250pF or 150pF! Whatever works best with a band or live I always say!
Great points bro. I was playing the EG3/4 a lot recently and I too am finding it tight! Weird though because I thought the EG was based on the SL2 PCB. Some of the circuitry is very similar, so I would think it would benefit from tightening like the SL2 did in going to the SLX. Honestly, though....with my rig, the SL2 always seemed pretty darn tight. I might even put the SLX back to stock.
I thought most people found the SL2 to be tighter than the EG3/4...but maybe since the EG3/4 is still more modern...it is a bit tighter.
I did however tighten my Erect along with the SL2(X).
I played the EG3/4 for a long time tonight and I really find I play better on the EG3/4 than other modules. The tone and response of this module works very well with my style. Kind of my go to module.
I have to admit I always thought the JB can have an upper mid spike that can be annoying depending on the guitar or rig...but your tone is killer! I was listening to the Randall Pete mods for the Randall XTC and I think you were getting pretty darn close to those tones as I have been able to as well. Kind of kills my GAS for the Pete modded XTC. The EG3/4 really is versatile. Where do you set the treble? I tend to keep it around noon...but man sometimes opening it up to 3:00 sounds wicked.
So what has been done to your EG? Just the 500pF cap like mine? I might even drop in a 250pF or 150pF! Whatever works best with a band or live I always say!
Great points bro. I was playing the EG3/4 a lot recently and I too am finding it tight! Weird though because I thought the EG was based on the SL2 PCB. Some of the circuitry is very similar, so I would think it would benefit from tightening like the SL2 did in going to the SLX. Honestly, though....with my rig, the SL2 always seemed pretty darn tight. I might even put the SLX back to stock.
I thought most people found the SL2 to be tighter than the EG3/4...but maybe since the EG3/4 is still more modern...it is a bit tighter.
I did however tighten my Erect along with the SL2(X).
I played the EG3/4 for a long time tonight and I really find I play better on the EG3/4 than other modules. The tone and response of this module works very well with my style. Kind of my go to module.